EOPPS Issues Guidance Memo #3 on Chapter 135

[GOALJim]

Remember when Chairman Day said this law was supposed to streamline the gun laws?

Keep in mind that as far as the hunting matters that the Environmental Police has been completely silent and they do not answer to EOPSS.

THe confusion continues.

Find it on: www.goal.org/gunban

 

[Broc Tuah]

#8 ... that is not what the law says.

 

[Reptile]

#8 ... that is not what the law says.

Sounds like a loop hole to keep guns off the books.

New law says no need to eFA10 until 2026.

Until then you can legally buy anything without registration.

Then, in 2026 - nobody will register, anyway!!!

No registration, no evil features ban - I think I'm liking this new law.

 

[DJBrad]

#8 ... that is not what the law says.

That’s why they say “may”

 

[Toast]

#8 ... that is not what the law says.

IANAL. I have no ability to interpret laws. I must defer to the state's expertise.

From the document at the link:

8. Will I need to register all my firearms?​

a. Yes. However, you will not be required to register your firearms into the new registration system until 10/2/2026. The Commonwealth is working on building the new registration system and will provide additional information about how to register firearms at a later date. In the meantime, users may register firearms on the existing Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal at https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentHome. If you have already registered your firearms on the current transaction portal, you will not have to re-register them when the new system goes live.​

Cool. The state's office enforcing the law has now explicitly said that all your existing home builds that you entered on the current portal within 7 days of their becoming capable of firing do not need to be registered on the new system.

Everyone should save a copy of that document in its current state before they change it..

 

[Broc Tuah]

IANAL. I have no ability to interpret laws. I must defer to the state's expertise.

From the document at the link:

8. Will I need to register all my firearms?​

a. Yes. However, you will not be required to register your firearms into the new registration system until 10/2/2026. The Commonwealth is working on building the new registration system and will provide additional information about how to register firearms at a later date. In the meantime, users may register firearms on the existing Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal at https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentHome. If you have already registered your firearms on the current transaction portal, you will not have to re-register them when the new system goes live.​

Cool. The state's office enforcing the law has now explicitly said that all your existing home builds that you entered on the current portal within 7 days of their becoming capable of firing do not need to be registered on the new system.

Everyone should save a copy of that document in its current state before they change it..

1. "IF" you already put the info in the current system.

2. As stated above "MAY" register them. So anything built AFTER the law doesn't not need to be registered. They confirm this by saying "you will not be required to register your firearms into the new registration system until 10/2/2026"

 

[akma]

So does that mean people can carry/use their home built or unregistered firearms?

 

[DJBrad]

So does that mean people can carry/use their home built or unregistered firearms?

Of course.

 

[Fixxah]

The shitshow will never end.

 

[Picton]

"Guidance Memo #3" out of a total of what will eventually be at least half a dozen.

NOBODY knows what's in this bill nor how to apply it. Not the people who wrote it, nor the governor who signed it, nor the lawyers who are trying to parse it, nor the FFLs getting screwed by it, nor the gun owners who want to try to obey it, nor the gun owners who don't want to try to obey it, nor the cops who aren't interested in enforcing it, nor the DAs hoping they'll never have to prosecute it.

Anyone taking this law seriously is not being realistic.

 

[ddeck]

"Guidance Memo #3" out of a total of what will eventually be at least half a dozen.

NOBODY knows what's in this bill nor how to apply it. Not the people who wrote it, nor the governor who signed it, nor the lawyers who are trying to parse it, nor the FFLs getting screwed by it, nor the gun owners who want to try to obey it, nor the gun owners who don't want to try to obey it, nor the cops who aren't interested in enforcing it, nor the DAs hoping they'll never have to prosecute it.

Anyone taking this law seriously is not being realistic.

But it’s an EmErGenCY!

So many criss crossing sections and interpretations required that no one can give definitive answers.

I’d like to congratulate Day and Creem on such well crafted legislation. /s

 

[Broc Tuah]

So does that mean people can carry/use their home built or unregistered firearms?

Yes. It is up there and people have been saying this for a while.

 

[Coyote33]

They REALLY need to do away with these separate documents, and put it all in one place, and then just update that one document. Eventually, the "guidance" notes are going to start crisscrossing each other in the same way the laws do. Plus, people might THINK they have seen the "latest guidance", but have not really.

 

[JFR2]

"In the meantime, users MAY register firearms on the existing Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal"

I hope EOPSS understands the difference between MAY and SHALL....lol!!

So you don't necessarily need to EFA10 if you buy a new gun??

 

[Toast]

1. "IF" you already put the info in the current system.

Sure. But the current system also includes blue card data. Looks like you doan hafta register nuffin if you've owned it for years.

 

[drgrant]

They REALLY need to do away with these separate documents, and put it all in one place, and then just update that one document. Eventually, the "guidance" notes are going to start crisscrossing each other in the same way the laws do. Plus, people might THINK they have seen the "latest guidance", but have not really.

This is MA were talking about here. You can forget about that because it's never happening.

You should know better. These memos only exist ro help shield the state from legal attacks.

They're not for us.

 

[Coyote33]

@drgrant

Why you laughing Mike? Does this not make sense to you somehow? Or is it maybe the making sense the part you don't think the state would want to follow? Failing to see the humor. You OK?

/confused

 

[drgrant]

@drgrant

Why you laughing Mike? Does this not make sense to you somehow? Or is it maybe the making sense the part you don't think the state would want to follow? Failing to see the humor. You OK?

/confused

I'm laughing because you should know better. Assuming that the state will "help you" by consolidating a bunch of memos together is like being the 5 year old that thinks the dude in the van will give you free candy.

These are the same people who intentionally leaked 90% of our shit out onto the internet less than a year ago. They are not here to help us.

I'm laughing because you shoud know by now that this state is evil, corrupt and incompetent, and the only saving grace here is that its even incompetent in its tyranny. (which helps us, especially those that can see between the lines)

You are assuming there is some level of competency, fair play, or good faith on the part of the commonwealth here. None of these things exist WRT this law. Not a shred.

This isn't CT, or CA, or any of the other commie states where the anti gun tyranny is a lot better administered. It never will be. They ain't going to pay for that. And legislators here don't vet out law with attorneys while writing them. Thats why we get the pile of shit that we get. Once you start operating from those extremely reliable (at this point) assumptions (that MA is both simultaneously corrupt, evil and incompetent with a major bias twoards the third thing) you'll stop asking these questions because you will already know the answer to them every
time.

 

[richc]

A friend of my son is in the middle of training to become an OSI agent. He's also a MA resident.

He sent this message:

"Been learning the federal gun laws. It's actually more relaxed than I ever thought

The U.S govt cannot keep a record of your firearms and ammo, unless they are NFA items.

Keeps a record is a constitutional violation "

 

[Drix]

A friend of my son is in the middle of training to become an OSI agent. He's also a MA resident.

He sent this message:

"Been learning the federal gun laws. It's actually more relaxed than I ever thought

The U.S govt cannot keep a record of your firearms and ammo, unless they are NFA items.

Keeps a record is a constitutional violation "

That's why the federal government shares nics checks with interpol and interpol keeps the record.

 

[dcmdon]

IANAL. I have no ability to interpret laws. I must defer to the state's expertise.

From the document at the link:

8. Will I need to register all my firearms?​

a. Yes. However, you will not be required to register your firearms into the new registration system until 10/2/2026. The Commonwealth is working on building the new registration system and will provide additional information about how to register firearms at a later date. In the meantime, users may register firearms on the existing Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal at https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentHome. If you have already registered your firearms on the current transaction portal, you will not have to re-register them when the new system goes live.​

Cool. The state's office enforcing the law has now explicitly said that all your existing home builds that you entered on the current portal within 7 days of their becoming capable of firing do not need to be registered on the new system.

Everyone should save a copy of that document in its current state before they change it..

Let's say you moved to MA a few years ago with a bolt action rifle.

You didn't register it because it was't required.

Would there be any benefit in registering it to the old/current system vs the shiny new system?

 

[TG Pioneer]

"Guidance Memo #3" out of a total of what will eventually be at least half a dozen.

NOBODY knows what's in this bill nor how to apply it. Not the people who wrote it, nor the governor who signed it, nor the lawyers who are trying to parse it, nor the FFLs getting screwed by it, nor the gun owners who want to try to obey it, nor the gun owners who don't want to try to obey it, nor the cops who aren't interested in enforcing it, nor the DAs hoping they'll never have to prosecute it.

Anyone taking this law seriously is not being realistic.

I love reminding cops that they’re limited to neutered ten round mags when they’re off duty just like those of us in the vulgate. I’m not sure if that’s 100% true but I do it to f___ with them.

 

[Parker Schreiber]

The U.S govt cannot keep a record of your firearms and ammo, unless they are NFA items.

Keeps a record is a constitutional violation "

Your friend needs to study the course materials a bit more carefully. The ATF keeps around a billion firearms transaction records, most of which have been digitized. They claim that since it's not a searchable store, it's not a "registry" prohibited under 18 USC §926 or 34 USC §40901.

I know of no court case holding a registry unconstitutional. The prohibitions were passed by Congress in 1986 and 1993.

While the Federal Government can't legally establish a registry, what the ATF can and does do is share information with states, and states can and do share that information with each other. So, for example, NLETS, a private firm, maintains a database of Concealed Carry License Holders which many states contribute to. 4473 compliance software offered by firms such as Fastbound also have the potential to be a national registry.

 

[Toast]

Let's say you moved to MA a few years ago with a bolt action rifle.

You didn't register it because it was't required.

Would there be any benefit in registering it to the old/current system vs the shiny new system?

Beats the hell out of me, Roy. Then again, there may be some benefit I can't see in that case to doing it in the current steaming bag of sh*t system as opposed to waiting for the raging dumpster fire they're sure to roll out.

 

[drgrant]

A friend of my son is in the middle of training to become an OSI agent. He's also a MA resident.

He sent this message:

"Been learning the federal gun laws. It's actually more relaxed than I ever thought

The U.S govt cannot keep a record of your firearms and ammo, unless they are NFA items.

Keeps a record is a constitutional violation "

Lol tell him to read about Abramski and then tell us if he still thinks they're still relaxed. Even just case law alone is absolutely batshit crazy. While US code is still somewhat more organized compared to MA gun law, it's still a dumpster fire that we don't get to witness that often because of prosecutorial discretion.

 

[In God We Trust]

Is there any way for a semi retarded person like myself to understand this stupid law? Are they ever going to print the rules in plain English for those of us without an Ivy League law degree?

Personally I’m just ignoring it and hoping it never becomes an issue.

 

[Picton]

Is there any way for a semi retarded person like myself to understand this stupid law? Are they ever going to print the rules in plain English for those of us without an Ivy League law degree?

Personally I’m just ignoring it and hoping it never becomes an issue.

Same.

There's no reason to care about this law. I am being absolutely serious when I claim that literally nobody in the state government has enough awareness about what's in this law, even if it were written legibly, to feel comfortable enforcing it.

 

[Parker Schreiber]

Is there any way for a semi retarded person like myself to understand this stupid law? Are they ever going to print the rules in plain English for those of us without an Ivy League law degree?

No, because this law was passed purely for political purposes rather than to deter, control, or punish criminal activity. I doubt a single legislator knew what they were voting on. Within a few months, there will likely be some "safe harbors" defined, such as you're good if you've never been charged with anything worse that speeding, pay for and pass a blessed safety course, only owned explicitly listed blessed firearms, and store them in a way that be worthless in case of a home invasion.

But to extend the "safe harbor" metaphor a bit, a ship is worthless if it never leaves the harbor. Such will be the case if you try to comply with this law.

 

[straightshooterjake]

They REALLY need to do away with these separate documents, and put it all in one place, and then just update that one document. Eventually, the "guidance" notes are going to start crisscrossing each other in the same way the laws do. Plus, people might THINK they have seen the "latest guidance", but have not really.

I have worked on version control for technical documents, and it is harder than it sounds, even if everyone wants to do it. In some ways, it is harder than version control for programs, because at least programs can have tests, so you know if you broke something, or reintroduced a previous problem.

Even with motivated tech writers, and a customer support team that depends on the documents, a large document base is difficult to organize, maintain, and update. Where no one is motivated, and the stakeholders benefit from confusion, the output is guaranteed to be incomprehensible garbage.

A one hundred plus page bill filled with references to previous bills could never result in understandable guidance. It would take a total rewrite to create clarity.

 

[paul73]

purely for political purposes rather than to

so, plenty of people are currently incarcerated for 'purely political purposes' using various edicts and laws that were passed in a similar manner.
it matters not what the intention was or wasn`t it only matters is activists lawmen can use it against you to destroy your life.