EOPPS Issues Guidance Memo #3 on Chapter 135

[Zappa]

View: https://youtu.be/K5b9a3okXgs

 

[richc]

so, plenty of people are currently incarcerated for 'purely political purposes' using various edicts and laws that were passed in a similar manner.
it matters not what the intention was or wasn`t it only matters is activists lawmen can use it against you to destroy your life.

Many are in jail because they could not afford the legal talent and time to fight unconstitutional regulations and laws.

 

[BREWINZ]

I haven't really been keeping up with this, but wow. What a freaking shit show. Abandon ship.

 

[Mark from ?]

IANAL. I have no ability to interpret laws. I must defer to the state's expertise.

From the document at the link:

8. Will I need to register all my firearms?​

a. Yes. However, you will not be required to register your firearms into the new registration system until 10/2/2026. The Commonwealth is working on building the new registration system and will provide additional information about how to register firearms at a later date. In the meantime, users may register firearms on the existing Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal at https://mircs.chs.state.ma.us/fa10/action/home?app_context=home&app_action=presentHome. If you have already registered your firearms on the current transaction portal, you will not have to re-register them when the new system goes live.​

Cool. The state's office enforcing the law has now explicitly said that all your existing home builds that you entered on the current portal within 7 days of their becoming capable of firing do not need to be registered on the new system.

Everyone should save a copy of that document in its current state before they change it..

Do they still need to be capable of firing? Frames are now Firearms correct?

Not that it matters, neither should be registered until 2026.

These f***ing idiots just about made you guys a free state.

 

[MAJoe]

So, for the MA gun owners who aren’t members of GOAL, how are they expected to be aware of all these guidance letters and what’s lawful vs what isn’t?

 

[Coyote33]

I have worked on version control for technical documents, and it is harder than it sounds, even if everyone wants to do it. In some ways, it is harder than version control for programs, because at least programs can have tests, so you know if you broke something, or reintroduced a previous problem.

Even with motivated tech writers, and a customer support team that depends on the documents, a large document base is difficult to organize, maintain, and update. Where no one is motivated, and the stakeholders benefit from confusion, the output is guaranteed to be incomprehensible garbage.

A one hundred plus page bill filled with references to previous bills could never result in understandable guidance. It would take a total rewrite to create clarity.

Yet, here we are.

 

[Picton]

I have worked on version control for technical documents, and it is harder than it sounds, even if everyone wants to do it. In some ways, it is harder than version control for programs, because at least programs can have tests, so you know if you broke something, or reintroduced a previous problem.

Even with motivated tech writers, and a customer support team that depends on the documents, a large document base is difficult to organize, maintain, and update. Where no one is motivated, and the stakeholders benefit from confusion, the output is guaranteed to be incomprehensible garbage.

A one hundred plus page bill filled with references to previous bills could never result in understandable guidance. It would take a total rewrite to create clarity.

I remember helping update the battalion TACSOP when I was at Bragg. Version control was a nightmare.

Nobody knew what ended up in that thing except the battalion XO.

 

[drgrant]

So, for the MA gun owners who aren’t members of GOAL, how are they expected to be aware of all these guidance letters and what’s lawful vs what isn’t?

Most MA gun owners have no clue about any of this 4885 stuff. And for most if them it literally won't matter much. They will find out when they go to deli ticket emporium probably in a year or two. My guess is when the compulsory registration thing starts the state will probably send out a mailer or something to drive up compliance #'s to make it look like less than a complete joke.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Do they still need to be capable of firing? Frames are now Firearms correct?

Not that it matters, neither should be registered until 2026.

These f***ing idiots just about made you guys a free state.

Yup, they've literally frucked themselves by putting the cart before the horse. Only pants shitters were going to register now, in 2026 even pants shitters probably won't. They've created something that is impossible to manage or "police", and probably won't have a correctly working system in 2026 either.

 

[WJ406]

Yup, they've literally frucked themselves by putting the cart before the horse. Only pants shitters were going to register now, in 2026 even pants shitters probably won't. They've created something that is impossible to manage or "police", and probably won't have a correctly working system in 2026 either.

The fact that they’re going to incorporate the existing FA-10 data shows that they’re not serious about the registration aspect. We all know how inaccurate the current records are. When I first read about the registration requirement, I assumed that they would create a brand new system and start fresh. And I agree, I’d be shocked if they have a working system by 2026.

With everything else in this legislation I laugh that people are freaking out about the registration requirements.

 

[CATI]

Yup, they've literally frucked themselves by putting the cart before the horse. Only pants shitters were going to register now, in 2026 even pants shitters probably won't. They've created something that is impossible to manage or "police", and probably won't have a correctly working system in 2026 either.

This is my prediction: The average gun owner will not be aware of future requirements. To address this, they will likely need to send out notifications. These notices will be mailed in the most conspicuous way to all individuals (LTC). Alternatively, they will probably "leak" the LTC holder list

 

[Toast]

This is my prediction: The average gun owner will not be aware of future requirements. To address this, they will likely need to send out notifications. These notices will be mailed in the most conspicuous way to all individuals (LTC). Alternatively, they will probably "leak" the LTC holder list

Or they'll just make you list everything you own when you renew your LTC, actual requirements of the law be damned.

 

[Picton]

Yup, they've literally frucked themselves by putting the cart before the horse. Only pants shitters were going to register now, in 2026 even pants shitters probably won't. They've created something that is impossible to manage or "police", and probably won't have a correctly working system in 2026 either.

Darn.

When I first read about the registration requirement, I assumed that they would create a brand new system and start fresh. And I agree, I’d be shocked if they have a working system by 2026.

Really? I just assumed they'd go ahead and have an intern change the EFA10 title page, call it something else snazzy, and just continue on as usual. Why would they develop a whole new system? More to the point, how would they pay anyone to do that, or buy off-the-shelf software? Remember, they appropriated no money for this law.

With everything else in this legislation I laugh that people are freaking out about the registration requirements.

This is my prediction: The average gun owner will not be aware of future requirements. To address this, they will likely need to send out notifications. These notices will be mailed in the most conspicuous way to all individuals (LTC). Alternatively, they will probably "leak" the LTC holder list

Or they'll just ignore it. I think that's most likely.

If they do enforce it? "Ignorance is no excuse for the law," they'll say, as they slap the cuffs onto a bewildered FUDD.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Remember when Chairman Day said this law was supposed to streamline the gun laws?

Keep in mind that as far as the hunting matters that the Environmental Police has been completely silent and they do not answer to EOPSS.

THe confusion continues.

Find it on: www.goal.org/gunban

I will point out that not only are our legislators not schooled on gun issues, they are not schooled on fiscal issues, climate change, energy policy, etc., The reason we get such crappy laws is the arrogance of legislators (and their corrupt leadership - how many Bacon Hill leadership folks have been removed in the last 2 decades?) that assume they know what they are doing or just trust a one-sided SIG (not THAT Sig) to write legislation for them.

 

[straightshooterjake]

Really? I just assumed they'd go ahead and have an intern change the EFA10 title page, call it something else snazzy, and just continue on as usual. Why would they develop a whole new system? More to the point, how would they pay anyone to do that, or buy off-the-shelf software? Remember, they appropriated no money for this law.

If they want to have a registration system, then they are going to have to keep track of guns that were transferred. When someone sells a gun, it will need to automatically be removed from their listing at the same time it is added to the new owner. Presumably, the date of this transaction will need to be recorded. There will also need to be a way for people to record guns that were lawfully sold through out of state dealers.

The system will also need to notice when a gun is being transferred, but the serial number appears to have changed. This will happen because one of the entries has numbers transposed or misread, and I have been told by someone in the industry that this issue is not that rare. This situation does not mean anything deceitful has happened. But the system will have incorrect entries left behind if this is not accounted for.

These are not huge changes, but they are actual changes to the database. This cannot be done by an intern or by changing the titles on some web pages. I don't think this can be done without a budget. And doing it so that it works correctly may be more expensive than it seems.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

I will point out that not only are our legislators not schooled on gun issues, they are not schooled on fiscal issues, climate change, energy policy, etc., The reason we get such crappy laws is the arrogance of legislators (and their corrupt leadership - how many Bacon Hill leadership folks have been removed in the last 2 decades?) that assume they know what they are doing or just trust a one-sided SIG (not THAT Sig) to write legislation for them.

The audit of the legislature ought to be a joy IF it ever happens.

 

[Picton]

If they want to have a registration system, then they are going to have to keep track of guns that were transferred. When someone sells a gun, it will need to automatically be removed from their listing at the same time it is added to the new owner. Presumably, the date of this transaction will need to be recorded. There will also need to be a way for people to record guns that were lawfully sold through out of state dealers.

The system will also need to notice when a gun is being transferred, but the serial number appears to have changed. This will happen because one of the entries has numbers transposed or misread, and I have been told by someone in the industry that this issue is not that rare. This situation does not mean anything deceitful has happened. But the system will have incorrect entries left behind if this is not accounted for.

These are not huge changes, but they are actual changes to the database. This cannot be done by an intern or by changing the titles on some web pages. I don't think this can be done without a budget. And doing it so that it works correctly may be more expensive than it seems.

I couldn't agree more, which is yet another reason why I say this is not a serious law written by serious people, meant to be seriously enforced.

They're doing what I expected: follow the path of least resistance until it no longer works, then compensate by issuing a "guidance memo" spelling out what they won't bother enforcing.

 

[Darksideblues42]

They REALLY need to do away with these separate documents, and put it all in one place, and then just update that one document. Eventually, the "guidance" notes are going to start crisscrossing each other in the same way the laws do. Plus, people might THINK they have seen the "latest guidance", but have not really.

This guidance incorporates all the previous ones. <Allegedly>

 

[Toast]

I will point out that not only are our legislators not schooled on gun issues, they are not schooled on fiscal issues, climate change, energy policy, etc., The reason we get such crappy laws is the arrogance of legislators (and their corrupt leadership - how many Bacon Hill leadership folks have been removed in the last 2 decades?) that assume they know what they are doing or just trust a one-sided SIG (not THAT Sig) to write legislation for them.

Case in point - two weeks ago, the California Air Resources Board issued new regulations that effectively ban diesel motorhome sales. Massachusetts adopted legislation tying us to California's rules. So, thanks to the action of an appointed board in another state, now you can't buy them here either.

 

[Woodsloafer]

Case in point - two weeks ago, the California Air Resources Board issued new regulations that effectively ban diesel motorhome sales. Massachusetts adopted legislation tying us to California's rules. So, thanks to the action of an appointed board in another state, now you can't buy them here either.

And Tesla is quietly lobbying heavily for all of this (stricter emissions standards here and overseas).

 

[Mark from ?]

If they want to have a registration system, then they are going to have to keep track of guns that were transferred. When someone sells a gun, it will need to automatically be removed from their listing at the same time it is added to the new owner. Presumably, the date of this transaction will need to be recorded. There will also need to be a way for people to record guns that were lawfully sold through out of state dealers.

The system will also need to notice when a gun is being transferred, but the serial number appears to have changed. This will happen because one of the entries has numbers transposed or misread, and I have been told by someone in the industry that this issue is not that rare. This situation does not mean anything deceitful has happened. But the system will have incorrect entries left behind if this is not accounted for.

These are not huge changes, but they are actual changes to the database. This cannot be done by an intern or by changing the titles on some web pages. I don't think this can be done without a budget. And doing it so that it works correctly may be more expensive than it seems.

100%..... because if a gun owner is charged for not registering or some registration faux pas.... yet....his lawyer shows the registration system itself has gaps big enough to drive a fxcking truck thru. What do you think happens?

Meanwhile...I probably still own 100 guns in MA....even though I'm not there, and I traded and sold 50 of them out of state over the years legally to dealers, that never got my name taken off of them. I question even in state transfers face to face....if two people own the same weapon even after transfer? Imagine that? Solid 100% irrefutable data right there, you could certainly use in court.

Legislators have no fxcking clue how hard it is to track a firearm thru its lifetime cycle of ownership......they are fxcking stupid, its a massive undertaking in state...never mind out of state, once people move to a free state with no system....its all gone. All of it. Private party sales are not tracked in most states.

 

[Mark from ?]

I couldn't agree more, which is yet another reason why I say this is not a serious law written by serious people, meant to be seriously enforced.

They're doing what I expected: follow the path of least resistance until it no longer works, then compensate by issuing a "guidance memo" spelling out what they won't bother enforcing.

Confusion and scare tactics to dealers and anyone who will shit their pants and comply.........remember there are MA gun owners who still have guns bought with a lifetime FID card, who never got another FID or LTC and never will.

 

[akma]

I will point out that not only are our legislators not schooled on gun issues, they are not schooled on fiscal issues, climate change, energy policy, etc., The reason we get such crappy laws is the arrogance of legislators (and their corrupt leadership - how many Bacon Hill leadership folks have been removed in the last 2 decades?) that assume they know what they are doing or just trust a one-sided SIG (not THAT Sig) to write legislation for them.

As you have pointed out none of this makes any sense. These people have no interest in constitutional law. They do have an agenda to put institute leftist/globalist goals. Mass is a mirror of what we see in the democrat party.

 

[general disorder]

As you have pointed out none of this makes any sense. These people have no interest in constitutional law. They do have an agenda to put institute leftist/globalist goals. Mass is a mirror of what we see in the democrat party.

What we see in Mass is the Democrat party unchecked. In most of the country they can't just do wild nonsense like they do here. But there is no opposition to them here.

 

[HorizontalHunter]

100%..... because if a gun owner is charged for not registering or some registration faux pas.... yet....his lawyer shows the registration system itself has gaps big enough to drive a fxcking truck thru. What do you think happens?

Meanwhile...I probably still own 100 guns in MA....even though I'm not there, and I traded and sold 50 of them out of state over the years legally to dealers, that never got my name taken off of them. I question even in state transfers face to face....if two people own the same weapon even after transfer? Imagine that? Solid 100% irrefutable data right there, you could certainly use in court.

Legislators have no fxcking clue how hard it is to track a firearm thru its lifetime cycle of ownership......they are fxcking stupid, its a massive undertaking in state...never mind out of state, once people move to a free state with no system....its all gone. All of it. Private party sales are not tracked in most states.

Absolutely, however you will spend your entire life savings defending against this nonsense trying to stay out of jail.

 

[Drix]

View: https://youtu.be/K5b9a3okXgs

Title should be:

It's a day that ends in Y- you know what that means, new MA gun rules!


Seriously this rule by executive order is rediculous.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Title should be:

It's a day that ends in Y- you know what that means, new MA gun rules!


Seriously this rule by executive order is rediculous malicious.

FIFY

 

[MAJoe]

100%..... because if a gun owner is charged for not registering or some registration faux pas.... yet....his lawyer shows the registration system itself has gaps big enough to drive a fxcking truck thru. What do you think happens?

Meanwhile...I probably still own 100 guns in MA....even though I'm not there, and I traded and sold 50 of them out of state over the years legally to dealers, that never got my name taken off of them. I question even in state transfers face to face....if two people own the same weapon even after transfer? Imagine that? Solid 100% irrefutable data right there, you could certainly use in court.

Yeah. Exactly. There’s going to be a lot of “registered” guns that left the state before 8/1 and aren’t legal (if ASF). It’s a mess now and only going to get worse.

 

[Mark from ?]

Absolutely, however you will spend your entire life savings defending against this nonsense trying to stay out of jail.

Yup. Could happen. Ill argue less of a chance in rural MA. But thats what they use to get people to comply because everyone knows the legal system up there is anti gun, anti old white male taxpayer.

 

[Mark from ?]

What we see in Mass is the Democrat party unchecked. In most of the country they can't just do wild nonsense like they do here. But there is no opposition to them here.

This. Make laws, enact out of emergency legislation because of petition, then freely suspend parts of the law because the govt was not ready.

She might as well be a Queen. There are no checks and balances on your rights up there