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Mesatchornug stated it succinctly. Now I may be totally wrong on the Worcester case, but based on the facts as I know them today I think I am right. I do not know what facts will be introduced at trial that I am not privy to, and how they will alter my opinion of the event. Guess I'll have to wait until March for that.
I'm just trying to find out what your threshold for the use of deadly force is.
Not that I want to get involved in debating this NH case, but didn't I read somewhere that the "little guy" was some sort of Martial Arts Black Belt?
If true, the McDojo he bought it from should be outed immediately. Friends don't let friends learn that pathetic punch.Not that I want to get involved in debating this NH case, but didn't I read somewhere that the "little guy" was some sort of Martial Arts Black Belt?
That would go a long way toward explaining why he and his friends were punching and harnessing the "big guy."
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Pretty common for little guys to have a go at a big guy for street cred. The risk benefit analysis tends to be in their favor:Not that I want to get involved in debating this NH case, but didn't I read somewhere that the "little guy" was some sort of Martial Arts Black Belt?
That would go a long way toward explaining why he and his friends were punching and harassing the "big guy."
Takekwondo - they kick hard but punching is not their thing. Clearly…If true, the McDojo he bought it from should be outed immediately. Friends don't let friends learn that pathetic punch.
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Looks to be true:
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Calling hours are from 11 a.m. to 1 p.m., on Feb. 4 with a Service of Remembrance beginning promptly at 1 p.m. at Lambert Funeral Home & Crematory, 1799 Elm Street, corner of North Street.
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The chances of anyone on NES would survive voir dire are slim.
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"will you base your instructions on the Law?"I certainly did not
Judge asked me if I'd decide based on his instructions and I said no, I'd decide based on the Constitution. (it was a gun case).
There was at one point. There was also a more detailed story as well. Started inside the bar, flowed outside, someone in the victims group approached the shooter and tried to pepper spray him, the shooter showed his gun with a warning, the deceased then approached punching the shooter in the head.
If you follow the Ccw sub on Reddit, I'm always surprised by the amount of people who carry are willing to go to deadly force at the slightest provocation. I was reading one today when the guy claimed that someone in his apartment complex jiggled his door knob. The poster said that he went in the other room and grabbed his home defense pistol and yelled through the door to go away or he will shoot him in the face. Maybe these people are just karma farming but I see these stories all the time.
I would think that asking about NES is way down the list of questions.
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I'm thinking more about questions like:I would think that asking about NES is way down the list of questions.
They'd disqualify me long before they got to that!
If someone decks you, and you absoluely **** the **** out them "in self defense", you'll have just as bad of a life-wrecking felony for that as 2nd degree. For the same reason you should shoot until the threat is neutralized, you have to keep punching until the threat is neutralized. If shooting someoen who punched you is 2nd degee, then what will that same jury do if you beat the guy all the way into the ICU? At some point we need to decide if we are going to be a civilized and free society and pay the cleaning fee for doing so, and decide if the individual right to peace and well-being trumps all else. I literally do not car how it starts, who you are, or whatever, you strike someone in the head, I personally consider that an attempt on someone's life. Time to clean the world up, and I don't care if a bunch of punks fertilize the earth in the process.
This is what I wonder as well. If Manchester big guy punches little guy back - who gets knocked out and splits his skull on the pavement - what's the verdict?
I'll tell my recent story. I had placed myself in a high-risk situation, and trouble found me. Parking garage, shitty area. An individual was loitering just past the ticket gate. No bags or anything. Initial benefit of the doubt is he was walking towards the garage entrance of the building's lobby (which served as my exit) from the street as a legit shortcut. This guy was about 25 yards from me at T=0. I veered right to go down the row where I had parked (T=3 seconds). At T=4s, this individual adjusted his vector towards me accordingly and increased pace slightly while making eye contact. At T=6s, I decided to call bullshit as our gap had closed by a good 25%. I unzipped my laptop case, reached in and placed my hand on the grips of my pistol without making any part of it visible. I did this while maintaining eye contact. Mr.McFckypants broke eye contact and nonchalantly moseyed away neither towards the street nor the lobby. Once in my vehicle, doors were locked and gun was on passenger seat until I was well clear of the situation. Had he charged me or produced a weapon, I had life-altering decisions to make.... It ended well enough, but you have seconds to think and react to these things.... I stand by my decisions for that incident. At 50 feet, if the guy broke out in a run with a knife, you have about 2-3 seconds before he's on you. If he produces a firearm first, you're screwed....
does it matter?
Yes. Black belts or anyone considered advanced in martial arts’ fists or limbs are not considered deadly weapons by virtue of combat level, contrary to popular belief. However, although in some states brass knuckles are not illegal to possess, assault with brass knuckles is considered assault with a deadly weapon and lethal force may be used to thwart the threat and will be justified. The shooting would be self defense against deadly force and justified.
Probably because they assume that's the way the world should operate and they're not wrong unfortunately the lawr doesn't back that up.
When you look at retard conferences, you really have to identify whether or not somebody tried to disengage in the midst of everything... if it's mutual combat, then all of a sudden things become a lot murkier. Specially given somebody arguing " oh I was in fear for my life yet I kept chasing after the guy"
obviously that kind of thing doesn't wash very well in a court of law.
