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Gunmen in Combat Fatigues Open Fire at Moscow Concert Hall, Venue Engulfed in Flames, Deaths Reported

jkelly1229 said:
yes and our policy was shit in the middle east especially him.

His philosophy was if they are brown hellfire down.

Not good at winning hearts and minds when you drone half a village for being there

However 2 counter points there.

1 we were attacked... now going into iraq and afghanistan may or may not have been the correct action they were what was chosen as viable responses to the terror attacks that while we did cause were not just...and


In my mind if you or someone in your country starts a war... that does suck for those caught in it...but you incur the wrath of the responsbile country...whatever that is.

And 2 i do care about my countrymen

Russia is an active enemy of this country and has sought to undermine the us for a long time.

Less Russians is a good thing for the us.
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You know why we were attacked right? And we were attacked how? Remind me again?
And then WMDs? Lmao you’re kidding right?

those people the theatre were no threat to you and suffered the same brutal unneeded fate as those in 9/11 or any other terror attack on the planet


And clearly you DO CARE WHO WINS
and yes, you’re a monster for having no sympathy for hopeless victims
Remember you asked…

Congratulations
 
CMEBoston said:
You know why we were attacked right? And we were attacked how? Remind me again?
And then WMDs? Lmao you’re kidding right?

those people the theatre were no threat to you and suffered the same brutal unneeded fate as those in 9/11 or any other terror attack on the planet


And clearly you DO CARE WHO WINS
and yes, you’re a monster for having no sympathy for hopeless victims
Remember you asked…

Congratulations
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“They hate us for our freedom”
 
Varmint said:
The US government thinks if someone attacks you, it’s an excuse to invade someone you don’t like. 19 Saudis attack us, invade Iraq.

In a lot of countries the lower level government officials are corrupt. In the US it’s the top, the Pilosi’s and Biden’s that are corrupt.
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100% on the first bit, but you can't tell me the local yokels with a badge ain't a bunch of corrupt pigs. Maybe they're not outright robbing people en masse during traffic stops, they got unions to do that for them in contract negotiations, but when they're choosing to sit on their ass when children are being massacred in a school shooting or flashing their headlights into the homes of a mother who spoke out against them, that's still corruption and again, the US is no different in that regard to other countries.

Maybe in the past it wasn't the case, but over time the local officials have grown bolder in their corruption because they've been allowed to get away with it.
 
T-Unit said:
100% on the first bit, but you can't tell me the local yokels with a badge ain't a bunch of corrupt pigs. Maybe they're not outright robbing people en masse during traffic stops, they got unions to do that for them in contract negotiations, but when they're choosing to sit on their ass when children are being massacred in a school shooting or flashing their headlights into the homes of a mother who spoke out against them, that's still corruption and again, the US is no different in that regard to other countries.

Maybe in the past it wasn't the case, but over time the local officials have grown bolder in their corruption because they've been allowed to get away with it.
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I’ve paid off multiple cops in Russia cause that’s just how it is
I think we’re right behind them here, never paid off a cop in the states but there’s plenty instances (DOT inspection scandal) of it happening.
It all starts at the top
 
Peter Zeihan is an author on international politics and has an interesting 5 min opionion here. His underlying theme is that since the Soviet collapse of the early 90's high education and the general society is slipping towards incompetence. With all the educated people now in their 60's Russia is losing all the smart people they have left


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJZcIrBCrqs
 
T-Unit said:
100% on the first bit, but you can't tell me the local yokels with a badge ain't a bunch of corrupt pigs. Maybe they're not outright robbing people en masse during traffic stops, they got unions to do that for them in contract negotiations, but when they're choosing to sit on their ass when children are being massacred in a school shooting or flashing their headlights into the homes of a mother who spoke out against them, that's still corruption and again, the US is no different in that regard to other countries.

Maybe in the past it wasn't the case, but over time the local officials have grown bolder in their corruption because they've been allowed to get away with it.
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I was just using the strict definition of corruption, which doesn’t include incompetence, cowardice and general assholishness. 😆
 
 
G4Y4HK said:
A true ISIS terrorist wouldn't be so afraid after getting caught. Lips trembling, shaking, etc. Don't you think a true terrorist fanatic would proudly own up to it and welcome death so he can bang his virgins? This guy looks like some dumbass who took a payout too big to refuse and all he had to do was some murderous shit.
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Also I think its cold in Russia rn, and they took most of his winter clothing...
 
Back to the subject - here is my simple thinking in no particular order:

1. It is not the Ukrainians as they would not provide the free positive (international) PR associated with Russia being the victim. They know better as this is the Ukrainian game and they would not give a reason to Russia to play and benefit from "look at us the enemy is killing our civilians".
2. It is not the Ukrainians as the US warned Moscow about such attack. We would not willingly snitch on the Ukrainians if we were on board and if we were not on board (which I would fully expect us to not be) we would simply have just told the Ukrainians to not do it.
3. It was not ISIS as the 70 virgins in the sky are too hard to pass- there would not be any survivors among attackers if this was Islam- faith motivated.
4. Timing. After the previous elections in Russia there were again several (apartment building) bombings with mass casualties. The timing was curiously similar as the war in Chechnya had grinded to a halt, trust in government post- elections was low and overall patriotic morale suffered. Said terrorist bombings were the war drums and prelude to the next phase of the war which one can argue was a success for Russia.

Because of the above 4 points I believe Russia is the only one standing to benefit from such terrorist attack. Therefore I assume it is a False Flag operation given the current information publicly available.

Oh, and a random thought- if they catch the perps (which I have no reason to believe they havent done) those folks should be publicly executed. Fcuken animals...

My 2 cents
 
Again, I don't understand why the US hasn't seen a pile of terrorist attacks. We have open borders. We've done things in the world that have pissed off a lot of dangerous, unstable people. There is evidence that questionable people have flooded in by the hundreds of thousands. It would be incredibly easy to pull off attacks that would cause this country to grind to a halt. Yet, mostly nothing happens.

It makes no sense.
 
rogersmithiii said:
why the US hasn't seen a pile of terrorist attacks.
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because terrorist acts are expensive and almost always should serve some certain point, domestically, as usually outside forces have 0 reason to mess with anything abroad.
because, generally, no one really cares of what happens in other countries.
 
CMEBoston said:
And clearly you DO CARE WHO WINS
and yes, you’re a monster for having no sympathy for hopeless victims
Remember you asked…

Congratulations
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Where was your sympathy when Russians murdered civilians in Bucha, Irpen, and Mariupol? Where was your outrage then? Are you only outraged when it hits close to home? Just like Germans in WW2, ALL Russians in Russia are complicit in the crimes!
The Russians who do not support the murdering of their neighbors left Russia a long time ago or got murdered(Navalny) by innocent unnamed Russians who were "just doing my job".

In the coming months, we will find out more details about this, and just like with Nord-Ost, it will turn out to be the job of the Russians working and supporting the Putin dictatorship. This is what Russia and its culture are all about violence and murder. This is why so many Russians live abroad: they are decent people who refuse to accept the self-genocidal tendencies of the people of Russia.

My wife just attended a concert by some Russian comedian/singer. This guy had to escape Russia just for asking the question of why Russia invaded Ukraine. He has no other skills but tell jokes and write funny songs. He went to Israel and would rather live in poverty than stay in Russia and become an accomplice to the murder of his brothers and sisters. That is the kind of Russian I can relate to. That's the kind of Russian that has the same values as us. That's the kind of Russian I support.

No, I have little love for the nation full of people who hate our guts and wish for our cities to be covered in "nuclear dust."
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
Where was your sympathy when Russians murdered civilians in Bucha, Irpen, and Mariupol? Where was your outrage then? Are you only outraged when it hits close to home? Just like Germans in WW2, ALL Russians in Russia are complicit in the crimes!
The Russians who do not support the murdering of their neighbors left Russia a long time ago or got murdered(Navalny) by innocent unnamed Russians who were "just doing my job".

In the coming months, we will find out more details about this, and just like with Nord-Ost, it will turn out to be the job of the Russians working and supporting the Putin dictatorship. This is what Russia and its culture are all about violence and murder. This is why so many Russians live abroad: they are decent people who refuse to accept the self-genocidal tendencies of the people of Russia.

My wife just attended a concert by some Russian comedian/singer. This guy had to escape Russia just for asking the question of why Russia invaded Ukraine. He has no other skills but tell jokes and write funny songs. He went to Israel and would rather live in poverty than stay in Russia and become an accomplice to the murder of his brothers and sisters. That is the kind of Russian I can relate to. That's the kind of Russian that has the same values as us. That's the kind of Russian I support.

No, I have little love for the nation full of people who hate our guts and wish for our cities to be covered in "nuclear dust."
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Congratulations on making the Bin Laden collective responsibility argument.
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
Where was your sympathy when Russians murdered civilians in Bucha, Irpen, and Mariupol? Where was your outrage then? Are you only outraged when it hits close to home? Just like Germans in WW2, ALL Russians in Russia are complicit in the crimes!
The Russians who do not support the murdering of their neighbors left Russia a long time ago or got murdered(Navalny) by innocent unnamed Russians who were "just doing my job".

In the coming months, we will find out more details about this, and just like with Nord-Ost, it will turn out to be the job of the Russians working and supporting the Putin dictatorship. This is what Russia and its culture are all about violence and murder. This is why so many Russians live abroad: they are decent people who refuse to accept the self-genocidal tendencies of the people of Russia.

My wife just attended a concert by some Russian comedian/singer. This guy had to escape Russia just for asking the question of why Russia invaded Ukraine. He has no other skills but tell jokes and write funny songs. He went to Israel and would rather live in poverty than stay in Russia and become an accomplice to the murder of his brothers and sisters. That is the kind of Russian I can relate to. That's the kind of Russian that has the same values as us. That's the kind of Russian I support.

No, I have little love for the nation full of people who hate our guts and wish for our cities to be covered in "nuclear dust."
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My guy,
First off we’re not talking about those people and those places.
Secondly no where did I say I DONT have sympathy for them. You quite literally made that up in your head. And it proves you haven’t read any of my replies even though they are short and simple, because I stated that to the last pudding headed guy that mentioned it
Thirdly this wasn’t even replying to you

Lastly I’ve wasted too much of my time with you.

Put down the remote and walk away from the TV
 
rogersmithiii said:
Again, I don't understand why the US hasn't seen a pile of terrorist attacks. We have open borders. We've done things in the world that have pissed off a lot of dangerous, unstable people. There is evidence that questionable people have flooded in by the hundreds of thousands. It would be incredibly easy to pull off attacks that would cause this country to grind to a halt. Yet, mostly nothing happens.

It makes no sense.
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The security apparatus is more effective than you think and the terrorists are dumber than you think. Also, once you taste American life it is hard to attack it. We had a Saudi freshman at my college in Canada, for the first month he was handing out pamphlets about how the Jews Are Destroyjng The Universe. By October he got some weed and porn, didnt even get up at 5 for prayer anymore.
 
On the subject of goatf***ing, I consider it a missed opportunity that after every drone strike in ME there wasnt a loudspeaker yelling “Allah smites you!” from the heavens. This is why psyops operators are only good for f*cking and not working.
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
No, I have little love for the nation full of people who hate our guts and wish for our cities to be covered in "nuclear dust."
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Then what makes you different from them? Don't you feel the same way and want the same thing for them?

You've got a degree of cognitive dissonance that's really amazing.
 
Picton said:
Then what makes you different from them? Don't you feel the same way and want the same thing for them?
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This guy literally thinks Russia has free and fair elections and that Putin has murdered everyone opposing him. I find this irrational fear in some guys just older than me that lived through the Cold War days. Like some kind of subliminal switch they are programmed to hate/fear Russians again.
It’s quite frightening honestly.

My wife is Russian as many of you that read what I post can figure out, me, her and our whole family both here and there, and all of her friends don’t support Putin.

She was subject to some real hate and lost actual friends when Putin started his sh!t in Ukraine here in the states just cause of the genetic and geographic hand she was dealt.

So I will proudly call our people like this in public discourse at the expense of my reputation to strangers.
 
Bonesinium said:
They type of corruption you are talking about, while I’m sure exists in much larger quantities than the same type of corruption here, pales in comparison to the types and levels of corruption we have. Small individual level bribery and payoffs and kickbacks compared to bribing and paying off entire nations. Stealing peoples pocket change compared to stealing peoples life savings. Rigging local elections vs rigging national elections. Targeting dissidents vs targeting former Presidents. Overthrowing state officials vs overthrowing entire government, domestic and abroad. Nobody does corruption on the size and scale as the US. When’s the last time Italy or Vietnam lead a foreign coup? The US has initiated coups on 6 Continents!
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You wanna go look up the history if Italy and colonialism? Ill wait. If you dont understand the role that commie Vietnam played in establishing communist regimes in the area, then you should read up on that as well. That wasnt even that long ago.

The US government is like any other empire administration, and by far one of the most benevolent compared to a few others like China today or the USSR of yesterday. The ignorance that i see on this board is primarily the product of not going anywhere in the world, not seeing anything and consuming Infowars or some other such dreck for news input.
 
Quick question, is the laugh react considered cyber bullying or am i adding to my guys social credit score?
I wanna do the right thing here
 
40 Creedmoor fan said:
Where was your sympathy when Russians murdered civilians in Bucha, Irpen, and Mariupol? Where was your outrage then? Are you only outraged when it hits close to home? Just like Germans in WW2, ALL Russians in Russia are complicit in the crimes!
The Russians who do not support the murdering of their neighbors left Russia a long time ago or got murdered(Navalny) by innocent unnamed Russians who were "just doing my job".

In the coming months, we will find out more details about this, and just like with Nord-Ost, it will turn out to be the job of the Russians working and supporting the Putin dictatorship. This is what Russia and its culture are all about violence and murder. This is why so many Russians live abroad: they are decent people who refuse to accept the self-genocidal tendencies of the people of Russia.

My wife just attended a concert by some Russian comedian/singer. This guy had to escape Russia just for asking the question of why Russia invaded Ukraine. He has no other skills but tell jokes and write funny songs. He went to Israel and would rather live in poverty than stay in Russia and become an accomplice to the murder of his brothers and sisters. That is the kind of Russian I can relate to. That's the kind of Russian that has the same values as us. That's the kind of Russian I support.

No, I have little love for the nation full of people who hate our guts and wish for our cities to be covered in "nuclear dust."
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too much drama. people are just people, anywhere. one of best stories of this russian attitude is from old good maxim gorkii 'staruha izergile' - a story of the flaming heart of danko.
go read it, it is worth the ending.

The Flaming Heart of Danko by Maxim Gorky

Long, long ago there lived a tribe of people in a place that was bounded by three sides by impenetrable forest and on the forth by the step. They were a strong, brave and cheerful people, but evil times came upon them. Other tribes came warring against them and drove them into the depth of
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"
And his followers were so full of joy and hope that they did not
notice that he had died and that his brave heart was still flaming
beside his dead body. But one timid creature noticed it and fearing
he knew not what, stomped on his flaming heart and it sent out
a jar of sparks and went out.
"
 
CMEBoston said:
This guy literally thinks Russia has free and fair elections and that Putin has murdered everyone opposing him. I find this irrational fear in some guys just older than me that lived through the Cold War days. Like some kind of subliminal switch they are programmed to hate/fear Russians again.
It’s quite frightening honestly.

My wife is Russian as many of you that read what I post can figure out, me, her and our whole family both here and there, and all of her friends don’t support Putin.

She was subject to some real hate and lost actual friends when Putin started his sh!t in Ukraine here in the states just cause of the genetic and geographic hand she was dealt.

So I will proudly call our people like this in public discourse at the expense of my reputation to strangers.
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I hate to tell you this, but Im guessing your wife is either was from Moscow or St Pete? Because the rest of Russia absolutely loves Putin and votes for him sincerely in their majority. He fixes the elections primarily out of old school fear, but he could easily win as is.
 
paul73 said:
too much drama. people are just people, anywhere. one of best stories of this russian attitude is from old good maxim gorkii 'staruha izergile' - a story of the flaming heart of danko.
go read it, it is worth the ending.

The Flaming Heart of Danko by Maxim Gorky

Long, long ago there lived a tribe of people in a place that was bounded by three sides by impenetrable forest and on the forth by the step. They were a strong, brave and cheerful people, but evil times came upon them. Other tribes came warring against them and drove them into the depth of
www.fulltextarchive.com www.fulltextarchive.com

"
And his followers were so full of joy and hope that they did not
notice that he had died and that his brave heart was still flaming
beside his dead body. But one timid creature noticed it and fearing
he knew not what, stomped on his flaming heart and it sent out
a jar of sparks and went out.
"
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Ey now, dont be bringing Danko and other favorite childhood stories into this. Next we’re gonna argue Chuk and Gek.
 

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