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I've taken a few handgun retention classes and it was eye opening just how quickly the 100 lb, 5' tall female instructor could snatch the gun out of my hands. It was gone in an instant.
I've never gone through a retention class, but I can say honestly that my handgun during room clearing is in a death grip.
Way too complicated for me. Also, turning your gun hip away from an attacker behind you will draw your gun out of your holster, which is not something you want to do if his had is on top of your gun. I was taught to secure his hand with my right hand, rotate hips toward the attacker, while peeling his hand off the gun, and rotating his arm up in a circular motion. You end up with him on his knees in a hand-lock, all with one motion.
A slide recoiling from a shot is going to make everyone but the most severe masochist let go, and even they will have to let go when their fingers are missing.
This video demonstrates otherwise:
Nance, You wrote “
“There are lots of videos on this, but I would get hands-on-training, not rely on a video.”
If you would Sir, post “ONE” vid so we all can see just what you consider a qualified LE trained highly experienced martial arts instructor would do, in your opinion. This should be a no brainer for you with everyone you Know.
I think the reason for this is mainly how most people carry in plain clothes versus how police carry openly in a duty holster. More than likely, if the average person is worried about retention, they're rolling around on the ground, and at that point, you just do whatever you can to hold onto your gun. There's little technique to it other than "hold on to the gun for dear life". But when I'm in the middle of a packed crowd only carrying, technique is of great importance if you feel tugging on the holster.Gun retention is mainly taught to LE and not many civilians train or even know much about it.
LenS said:Even for LE training, I went thru this course (3-4 hours) ONCE in the Police Academy (30 yrs ago . . . I can hope it's different now). TTBOMK, it is not "continuous training" and you lose what you learn if you don't continue to train!
...It isn't about strength. It is about leverage...In an actual disarm, the gun is gone very quickly, and it isn't a wrestling match...
Nance, You wrote “
“There are lots of videos on this, but I would get hands-on-training, not rely on a video.”
If you would Sir, post “ONE” vid so we all can see just what you consider a qualified LE trained highly experienced martial arts instructor would do, in your opinion. This should be a no brainer for you with everyone you Know.
What I was always taught was if someone has a grip on your holstered gun, place both your hands on your gun, on top of the hand of the attacker, and push down into the hosster. Then pivot (spin) quickly from left to right, throwing the attacker off balance. On the second or thrid pivot, depending on where the attacker is standing relative to you, he's likely to go flying under his own weight and unable to unholster your gun because he won't be able to pull straight out. If you do it with enough force, you can break a persons forearm, as well as a few fingers, particulalrly if the holster is OWB solid plastic (think Serpa).
This is simply my expieirence and has always seemed to go well in training. I seem to remember it being highly risky of a training injury.