Hey Eotech fanbois! What's the deal?

[MGnoob]

An AimPoint Micro T2 can be left on for 10 years on a NV setting and 5 years on the brightest daylight setting and not kill the battery. That's the big reliability difference with EO Tech.

If you proactively change your Aimpoint battery every 2 years, you won't get up and find a dead leaking battery. Even if you forget and dont' change it for 5+ years.

In contrast, you can kill an EOTech battery in 6 months.

You bring up a REALY GREAT point regarding batteries leaking. I once got a bad batch of Duracell AA batteries at Costco that started to leak 18 months after I bought them despite the fact that they were fully charged and still in the packaging.

I have never EVER seen a CR2032 battery leak. I would never store an electro optic that runs on AA with the batteries inside.
I am curious if the lithium AAs don't leak. But dont' have any knowledge there.

Re thermal drift. It's important to understand how it impacts your specific sight. The worst impacted sights were mostly made between 2004 and 2009 if I remember correctly. It's important because the worst sights drift A LOT. I'm talking 20 MOA from room temp to sub zero temps.

I’m not saying that lithium batteries don’t leak.. far less likely than alkaline plus they’re just dis superior battery anyway.

My EOTech was made after 2009 and it still drifts quite a bit, but that’s the beauty of having a laser with it. You can rezero without taking a shot. I’m not saying it’s gonna be perfect but for the application it’s more than sufficient.

The battery life on the aim point is impressive along with each other features, but for the kind of shooting I do, I just like the size of the EO Tech.. quicker target acquisition..

I can also vouch for how waterproof it is. The only thing that I own that’s really not waterproof is my thermal I wouldn’t go swimming with it to say the least… which is surprising cause I think the PVS seven is good to like 66 feet deep or something like that not that I’ve tried it but it’s definitely gotten wet

 

[frenchman]

I see Comp m4 and M4S for $500+/- on fleebay, and some PROs for around half that. The new Aimpoint DUTY goes for around $500 new. I’d take either over Eotech. In 2024, the advertised battery life is just not up to snuff anymore. The DUTY is right around T2 size (I believe they use the same mount). In any case : the solution to all your Eotech problems comes in an Aimpoint box.

 

[dcmdon]

I’m not saying that lithium batteries don’t leak.. far less likely than alkaline plus they’re just dis superior battery anyway.

My EOTech was made after 2009 and it still drifts quite a bit, but that’s the beauty of having a laser with it. You can rezero without taking a shot. I’m not saying it’s gonna be perfect but for the application it’s more than sufficient.

The battery life on the aim point is impressive along with each other features, but for the kind of shooting I do, I just like the size of the EO Tech.. quicker target acquisition..

I can also vouch for how waterproof it is. The only thing that I own that’s really not waterproof is my thermal I wouldn’t go swimming with it to say the least… which is surprising cause I think the PVS seven is good to like 66 feet deep or something like that not that I’ve tried it but it’s definitely gotten wet

There is NO denying that up close the EOTech has real advantages. I am noticeably faster with it than with an AimPoint. Especially since my eyes are a bit insensitive to red light (normal for males over 40) and the little dot of an aim point doesn't really jump out at me. Holosun makes green dot sights that do pop for me, but since I've learned how Holosun is truly, actually a Chinese military vendor, I can't bring myself to buy one. (see link below for the best analysis I've seen)

For a personal defensive firearm, where you are likely to exercise better battery discipline than the average cop or soldier, an EOTech is a great choice.

Also, most of us, if we ever use an AR defensively will be in our home. At 68-72 deg F, there won't be any real drift.

Thanks for the discussion.

Holosun - Chinese or American?

Just the Facts

www.vermilionchina.com

 

[dcmdon]

Thanks, but I don't believe mine is eligible because the serial number sticker is gone and they can't verify manufacture date.

They may not be able to warranty it. But they still may be able to fix it for a reasonable amount of money. It's worth a few minute phone call to find out.

 

[MGnoob]

There is NO denying that up close the EOTech has real advantages. I am noticeably faster with it than with an AimPoint. Especially since my eyes are a bit insensitive to red light (normal for males over 40) and the little dot of an aim point doesn't really jump out at me. Holosun makes green dot sights that do pop for me, but since I've learned how Holosun is truly, actually a Chinese military vendor, I can't bring myself to buy one. (see link below for the best analysis I've seen)

For a personal defensive firearm, where you are likely to exercise better battery discipline than the average cop or soldier, an EOTech is a great choice.

Also, most of us, if we ever use an AR defensively will be in our home. At 68-72 deg F, there won't be any real drift.

Thanks for the discussion.

Holosun - Chinese or American?

Just the Facts

www.vermilionchina.com

The issue I had is my first notice the drift which seems to be left to right more than up and down. I don’t know why as I take it out of 100° basement with a woodstove and go out into the 0° weather and it was definitely noticeably f***ed up, but I figured out how to solve it plus I just aim with the lasers anyway.

You just said that with the coyote come close enough that way you can unload on the whole team it’s not like I’m going for precision

 

[milktree]

They may not be able to warranty it. But they still may be able to fix it for a reasonable amount of money. It's worth a few minute phone call to find out.

Sorry, I was unclear.

I sent them a bunch of pictures so they could verify the model and that it isn't a counterfeit.
They said explicitly that it's real, and that it's too old to be repaired. That's when they offered the 50% coupon.

 

[MGnoob]

Sorry, I was unclear.

I sent them a bunch of pictures so they could verify the model and that it isn't a counterfeit.
They said explicitly that it's real, and that it's too old to be repaired. That's when they offered the 50% coupon.

Pro tip you can tell if a holographic counterfeit if you look down from the barrel end and you can see the red it’s fake all the real ones when you’re pointed at somebody they can’t see the reticle … if you can it’s Airsoft knock off

 

[milktree]

Pro tip you can tell if a holographic counterfeit if you look down from the barrel end and you can see the red it’s fake all the real ones when you’re pointed at somebody they can’t see the reticle … if you can it’s Airsoft knock off

The thing that made me think it's not a fake is that the reticle has that pixelated/sparkly interference pattern you only see with lasers. There's no way there's a knock-off that actually uses a real laser diode and holographic reticle. It would be way too expensive, and if you're going to do that you'd put your own brand on it.

 

[MGnoob]

The thing that made me think it's not a fake is that the reticle has that pixelated/sparkly interference pattern you only see with lasers. There's no way there's a knock-off that actually uses a real laser diode and holographic reticle. It would be way too expensive, and if you're going to do that you'd put your own brand on it.

Sometimes my EO Tech I do get this weird pattern. It looks more like a constellation than a straight circle, but that’s my eyes still shoots thru enough for me…. I don’t even use the Flippin Magnifier till I’m out past like 250 yards at that distance. I could still hit a man size target with irons so that’s just for against vermin.. There’s definitely better set ups, but it gets the job done even though the EOT with the magnifier was expensive. Those aim points are definitely expensive. I haven’t looked at them in a while though.

 

[Tarsook]

You are kind of missing the point.

They get left on and then have a dead battery when are called upon to be used.

An aim point can be left on all the time and if you change the battery annually, you are assured of an optic that will work.

I thought your point was cops are dumb as rocks on the first read through. Never had a problem with any of my eotech batteries dying in a timeframe quicker than expected. One is on my primary rifle set up and I’ve never grabbed it and not had it ready to go.

 

[Tartakovsky]

So, are Eotech products all that? Are holographic sights really better than a high quality reflex sight?

Here's the backstory:

I just got an older 552 as part of another purchase; It's the classic dual AA battery design, but with the "night vision"[1] button. It's very dim. I contacted Eotech and confirmed[2] that there's something wrong with it. It's too old for them to repair, but they'll give me a 50% off coupon for anything on their website other than night vision equipment if I send it to them.

So, here's the question: What should I get? 50% off the Eotech website seems to be a lot cheaper than what they cost elsewhere, based on very little research.

Any Eotech superfans wanna help me out with this?


[1] It seems to just turn the emitter off entirely. Is it supposed to only be visible through NV goggles?

[2] I inferred this, based on their "we can't fix it" and not saying, "they're all like that", and some Intertoob "research" suggesting the electronics in Eotechs sometimes freak out and won't get bright.

Like anything, it depends which one you get and what your purpose is. Some red dots are blurry to me because of my astigmatism. Holos help. Eotechs are generally bomb proof, but the early ones did have some delamination. Eotechs are fast for me though. You can pick up the reticle very quickly and the dot is very sharp. Battery life is roughly 5k hours. I really like my EXPS2s and EXPS3s. I’m also very fast with Aimpoints, which for whatever reason aren’t as affected by my astigmatism as other red dots like the Trijicon MRO. Aimpoints are also bombproof, smaller/lighter profile, and 30k-50k hour battery life depending on setting.

 

[Tinkermatic]

Is this another f***ing Sig or Holosun thread in disguise?!?!

 

[insuranceguy]

I've had my Eotech for well over a decade. 100% reliable, ruggedness is off the charts... I recently swapped it out with a Holosun. With the Eotech, the pixelated picture is what I saw all the time unless I my magnifier was used (which was seldom). The battery life is about 5000 hrs, which sounds like a lot, remembering to turn it off after a session has to be part of the protocol if using one, as is always carrying a spare battery since Murphy's law dictates it will deplete at the worst possible time. Contrast that with my Holosun. No pixelation, 50,000 hr battery life, shake awake capable; as for ruggedness, I don't run around anymore so the risk of tossing my rifle on the ground or into a wall or against rocks or etc. is next to none - and if I did, I'm kind of thinking the Holosun might actually hold up pretty well.

 

[Tartakovsky]

Is this another f***ing Sig or Holosun thread in disguise?!?!

That would be ridiculous. Low end Sigs are garbage with the exception of the original Romeo5. Holosun all the way. Only the expensive Sig stuff is decent.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Get what works for you.

A good friend of mine is a local cop. He is also one of his Dep'ts firearms instructors. They got rid of the Eotechs because they couldn't get the officers to check the batteries every week. Thankfully none were ever needed. But every year when they do their qualifying about 1/4 of them show up to the range dead. Which means cops aren't checking.

They switched to Aimpoiont. Now they just change the batteries on all the patrol rifles while they are at the range for qualifying once per year.

***One other thing. You could probably sell the 50% off coupon for a few bucks.

I left stupid Duracells in mine for over a year. Pulled hte gun out of hte safe. Stupid me. Freaking Duracell. I gotta get in there with some alcohol and Q-tips. It's all F'd up.

I'm betting there are about a dozen guys that would sell you one of their P-Diddy sights for $20. (What was teh name of that thing on Amazon 2-3 years ago??? Pinty???)

 

[Igotid]

I left stupid Duracells in mine for over a year. Pulled hte gun out of hte safe. Stupid me. Freaking Duracell. I gotta get in there with some alcohol and Q-tips. It's all F'd up.

I'm betting there are about a dozen guys that would sell you one of their P-Diddy sights for $20. (What was teh name of that thing on Amazon 2-3 years ago??? Pinty???)

Pinty. I think they were like $6