How School Shootings Are Changing the Design of American Classrooms

[paul73]

You can run some interesting scenarios here:

satan series of missiles, with rs-28 sarmat they use now, carry a cluster of 16 warheads, specifically designed to split upon entry to avoid interception. i think i read something that the other design was to shoot one up front for atmospheric detonation, to fry out interceptors and 'clear the path' for the rest of the cluster to arrive also, but, who cares.
one way or another the map below can be multiplied 10 times, pretty much, as warheads will scatter somewhat, to provide a nice overlapping coverage.

means when it gonna happen, the chances to live through it into a 'fallout' game reality will be rather slim. you`ll have to be a far far away from the impact zones to gain some months of survival.

now of quantity - from 200 to 300 permanent silos, 2-10 icbms per silo, plus mobile launchers, plus submarines. official data says total of around 1500 warheads.
USA has 387 metropolitan statistical areas, gives a 2-4 warheads per each.

 

[Toast]

satan series of missiles, with rs-28 sarmat they use now, carry a cluster of 16 warheads, specifically designed to split upon entry to avoid interception. i think i read something that the other design was to shoot one up front for atmospheric detonation, to fry out interceptors and 'clear the path' for the rest of the cluster to arrive also, but, who cares.
one way or another the map below can be multiplied 10 times, pretty much, as warheads will scatter somewhat, to provide a nice overlapping coverage.

means when it gonna happen, the chances to live through it into a 'fallout' game reality will be rather slim. you`ll have to be a far far away from the impact zones to gain some months of survival.

now of quantity - from 200 to 300 permanent silos, 2-10 icbms per silo, plus mobile launchers, plus submarines. official data says total of around 1500 warheads.
USA has 387 metropolitan statistical areas, gives a 2-4 warheads per each.

Full on exchange between major powers? Screwed across the board, target zone or not.

However, I admitted that above. I was speaking to the "bunch of Houthis with a single off-books Russian tactical weapon rolled over the southern border" one shot terrorist use. Duck-and-cover is valuable if you're close but not too close to where they set it off.

 

[MaverickNH]

https://wapo.st/3AQoIxX

Quickly knowing kids are being shot dead is actually less important than having armed personnel on site able to intervene immediately.

”The security system had been in place at Apalachee High School for only about a week. Every teacher and staff member was issued an identification badge, and on it, a panic button. Push the button three times for everyday emergencies, teachers are told, and push it over and over and over again if there’s a campuswide threat.
That’s what happened Wednesday when, authorities say, a 14-year-old student brought an AR-15-style rifle into the school and began shooting. The school’s system worked as intended, multiple experts and officials said, and prevented the tragedy from being even worse.

Staff in the building pushed their buttons, alerting law enforcement officers — almost immediately — about the active shooter.

Experts in school security also credited the school resource officers, who — unlike in some past school shootings — rushed to the scene and quickly managed to take the suspect into custody alive. In addition, a locked classroom door apparently protected some students and may have slowed the shooter.“

 

[G4Y4HK]

When school shooters are coming at you with Assault-Riffle-Fifteen assault weapons and high capacity banana clips, the kids in school need better tools to even the odds. Doesn't the new anti-gun agenda teach kids to RUN - HIDE - FIGHT these days? If you are cornered and must fight, you have to pick up whatever you can to use against someone with a rifle lol. Stapler, fire hydrant, chair, pen, whatever. Every classroom needs an assault stapler.

 

[1sern]

When school shooters are coming at you with Assault-Riffle-Fifteen assault weapons and high capacity banana clips, the kids in school need better tools to even the odds. Doesn't the new anti-gun agenda teach kids to RUN - HIDE - FIGHT these days? If you are cornered and must fight, you have to pick up whatever you can to use against someone with a rifle lol. Stapler, fire hydrant, chair, pen, whatever. Every classroom needs an assault stapler.

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I hate to admit it but I'm down to 6 bananas for my clips

 

[chris_1001]

I hate to admit it but I'm down to 6 bananas for my clips

My mag carrier identifys as a banana hammock

 

[MaverickNH]

I was talking with NH’s DHS officer in charge of school security programs today - apparently the vast majority of useful intel on potential school shooters comes from kids ratting out other kids’ social media posts.

I told them “Which is as it should be - who else would or should be monitoring local social media?” They paused a minute and said, “Yeah, I guess other kids would be more in tune with who’s a real threat.” Not a Fed - an NH officer - so the idea of government monitoring everyone wasn’t a given to them. Our conversation then went around to how so many kids have multiple “warning signs” but never become school shooters. That led to why school security and quick PD response time was primary. Of course, that was this officer’s job, so we naturally agreed. They weren’t part of a gun control group.

The NH DHS officer was well aware that drills were more traumatizing than the risk deserved. They were aware of surveys showing 2/3rds of parents and kids were “Extremely Worried” about school shootings, but they hadn’t seen the other surveys which asked parents/kids “What are the top 3 things you’re most worried” about BEFORE asking “How worried are you about School Shootings?” School Shootings were in the single digits in unprompted surveys - parents/kids rarely mention it as their major worry unless surveys specifically asked. The worry about School Shootings thing is bogus and manufactured by pollsters with an agenda.

 

[VigilantesLiberi]

So the idea is to not put armed police in a school, but instead let criminals in? Then it becomes the "guns' fault" instead of a guard shooting the perp at the first sign? That's what I learned from the Ulvade shooting.

 

[Qwikdraw45]

The NH DHS officer was well aware that drills were more traumatizing than the risk deserved.

Well, they shouldn't be. They should be calmer with some planning.

We had training last week on active threats (includes knife attacks/bomb attacks, not just firearms) taught by the NHSP. The biggest take-aways were: If you see someone acting strangely, keep an eye on them and be prepared to react/evacuate. When you hear gunshots, don't dismiss it as "Oh, it must be fireworks, a car backfiring, etc." - be mentally prepared and take evasive action. Think about where you would evacuate to - go for the exit that will get you out of the building vs. somewhere else in the building. If you have to stay inside, think about what you can use to barricade yourself in - buy time. If you have to barricade, still try to make it a place that has an alternative exit.

 

[Picton]

So the idea is to not put armed police in a school, but instead let criminals in? Then it becomes the "guns' fault" instead of a guard shooting the perp at the first sign? That's what I learned from the Ulvade shooting.

You shouldn't draw any lesson from Uvalde except that it reinforces the fact (known by any veteran, ever) that, when things go to shit, leadership matters.

Uvalde was an extreme outlier, and Parkland was a less extreme outlier. In almost every other school shooting, officers charge in and put down the shooter without undue hesitation.

 

[mothybee]

Can't Walz just ask his friends to stop.

 

[Dennis in MA]

Well, no.

The problem is everyone made fun of the drill because the conceit was that the bomb was going off overhead.

If you were in or near a targeted zone (say, Somerville with the target being Boston Common and a strategic size weapon), the drills were pointless.

If you were outside the targeted zone (say, Waltham with the target being Boston Common and a similar size weapon), duck-and-cover was the right move to protect from shrapnel damage from the windows and other loose items.

Those drills were developed by people who actually dropped nukes on two cities (or near exposed soldiers during tests) and they work for a number of scenarios. Yeah, if you're in one of the ones where they don't work, you're screwed. But, had they been needed, they would have helped avoid large numbers of injuries.

Sure, if it's "everyone firing off everything", well, you're all screwed. But, if it's a bunch of Houthis with a single off-books Russian tactical weapon rolled over the southern border, it would work today. But, (a) we can't admit that threat is viable and (b) no one in .gov has the balls to stand up to the ridicule that the 11:30pm talk shows would lay down.

You can run some interesting scenarios here: NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein

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The point is - ducking and covering won't save you from dying 3 days later of radiation poisoning.

The threat of Nukulur Wur was still very real in the 70's but we had moved on from D&C.

 

[dcmdon]

The point is - ducking and covering won't save you from dying 3 days later of radiation poisoning.

The threat of Nukulur Wur was still very real in the 70's but we had moved on from D&C.

No it won't . But it will absolutely save you from possibly life ending injuries that result from a rogue state type of attack.

Think, North Korea and 3 or 4 nukes.

If the Russians or Chinese get involved, it may be better to die quickly

 

[Toast]

The point is - ducking and covering won't save you from dying 3 days later of radiation poisoning.

Again, using the "In Waltham with Boston targeted by a terrorist group" scenario, Duck and Cover will keep you from bleeding out due to flying glass. Sheltering in the basement for 4 to 7 days will cover the worst of the radiation exposure.

The threat of Nukulur Wur was still very real in the 70's but we had moved on from D&C.

More that we had adopted a fatalistic view of the situation by assuming every scanrio was a full-on total exchange. Looking at the current risks of one-off terrorist bomb situations, D&C is a rational response, but no one in government has the backbone to stand up to a bunch of literature majors mocking them on late night TV.

 

[MaverickNH]

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www.wsj.com

”The Wall Street Journal found that more than $100 million has been spent for the purchase and installation of window film at school districts nationwide. The film is attractive to school officials because it is a fraction of the cost of bulletproof glass.”

Actually, it does work - shooters cannot climb through the little hole their bullet makes in the window with films to gain entry.

 

[MaverickNH]

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www.wsj.com

”The Wall Street Journal found that more than $100 million has been spent for the purchase and installation of window film at school districts nationwide. The film is attractive to school officials because it is a fraction of the cost of bulletproof glass.”

Actually, it does work - shooters cannot climb through the little hole their bullet makes in the window with films to gain entry.

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I got a reply to my comment from a guy I assume is with the vendor www.riotglass.com :

”After shooting a glass door with security film a small hole can easily be made by striking the glass with the butt end of a weapon. It is then easy to reach through that hole and hit the emergency egress panic bar swiftly gaining access to the building. It take about 10 seconds for all of that to happen. That's why the new recommended minimum standard for forced entry at schools are for products that pass ASTM 3561. Riot Glass is the premier manufacturer of window and door glass and framing systems that pass this standard.”

I hadn’t considered that a school shooter might shoot filmed-glass and then butt-stroke the glass to break it. But the first shooter who does and it gets all over the news, it become an elevated risk. Far more school entries are unforced than forced, so where to spend the limited tax $$$ is a tough choice.

A private school has the option of being just that more secure than the nearby public schools so they appear to be softer targets.