school me of pre 8-1 gun evil features

[Toast]

Here is a thought, so tell me if and when then this crap law the commies stuck us with gets repealed in 22 months at the ballot box, does that mean we go back to needing to pin and weld, or not have flash hiders and evil features etc. ?
Just thinking out loud
I'm about done with mental gymnastics

I would think not. To my knowledge, the suits are not against the bill changing the law, they are against the law as currently configured in the MGLs. Any successes in court would not throw out the portion of the house bill changing the laws, they would toss the portions of laws effected.

Now, if the initiative petition were to pass, then we would go back to the old situation, as the petition would unwind the changes, not toss the law.

Hey, there's a wildass scenario. Some court tosses the current laws with the changes, so the anti-gun side then goes full on trying to get the petition passed in order to bring the old laws back without having to go through the legislature.

 

[CrackPot]

This may be the best thread on this subject yet.

There is nothing remotely good about this thread. Lots of idiots unable to handle logic 101

This thread goes like this

question: "what color is the sun?"
answer: "the sun is orange"
question: "so you are telling me the sun is not yellow? Is it blue?"
answer: "what part of the sun is orange is confusing?"
question: "so if the moon is cheese and its past the summer solstice and its night, doesn't that mean the sun is purple?"

The question was asked and answered in the first 4 posts. The next 60 posts are a circle jerk of idiots

So no, this is not the best thread on any subject other than proof of the stupidity of a large number of NES members.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

There is nothing remotely good about this thread. Lots of idiots unable to handle logic 101

This thread goes like this

question: "what color is the sun?"
answer: "the sun is orange"
question: "so you are telling me the sun is not yellow? Is it blue?"
answer: "what part of the sun is orange is confusing?"
question: "so if the moon is cheese and its past the summer solstice and its night, doesn't that mean the sun is purple?"

The question was asked and answered in the first 4 posts. The next 60 posts are a circle jerk of idiots

So no, this is not the best thread on any subject other than proof of the stupidity of a large number of NES members.

But this is the best post

 

[Soundwave]

There is nothing remotely good about this thread. Lots of idiots unable to handle logic 101

This thread goes like this

question: "what color is the sun?"
answer: "the sun is orange"
question: "so you are telling me the sun is not yellow? Is it blue?"
answer: "what part of the sun is orange is confusing?"
question: "so if the moon is cheese and its past the summer solstice and its night, doesn't that mean the sun is purple?"

The question was asked and answered in the first 4 posts. The next 60 posts are a circle jerk of idiots

So no, this is not the best thread on any subject other than proof of the stupidity of a large number of NES members.

As with everything here it went off the rails. But the majority of initial responses were on topic and seemed factual. I was shocked!

 

[pastera]

I’m not in MA anymore so haven’t been following this very closely, so;

Pre Sept 94 is no longer a thing. All lawfully owned semi auto rifles in MA on 8/1 need to meet the two feature test and cannot have scary “assault weapon” features.

No longer are there exempt “pre 9/94” semi auto rifles that have pistol grips and detachable magazines and also can have folding/collapsible stocks, flash hiders, threaded barrels capable of accepting flash hider, silencer, etc, bayonet lugs, etc.

Any copies/clones of enumerated weapons “copies of those banned by name, such as the Colt AR-15, AK, Steyr AUG, etc) need to have been manufactured and lawfully possessed in MA before the 7/16 enforcement notice.

Am I missing anything?

No, the exemption clearly calls out lawfully possessed ON 8/1.
7/20/16 is a very partial exemption date for "copies and duplicates.

So a firearm possessed by a dealer or permit holder on 8/1 is fully exempt from all assault-style ban requirements.
A firearm legality possessed and entered into the fa-10 database prior to 7/20/16 but not in Mass ON 8/1/24 would be exempt from consideration as a copy or duplicate but would still be required to comply with the features tests of the Assault-style bans.

 

[DarkJoker33]

I'm going to enter in to the stupid question list.

What about braced handguns in Ma now?
Things like the flux for sig or recover tactical stuff for Beretta,Glock,M&P etc.

Because brace and folder?

 

[chris_1001]

I'm going to enter in to the stupid question list.

What about braced handguns in Ma now?
Things like the flux for sig or recover tactical stuff for Beretta,Glock,M&P etc.

Because brace and folder?

The flux raider is about 44oz unloaded. So it should be fine even pre 8/1. If over 50oz, must be 8/1

Seems braced AR pistols are ok if 8/1.

 

[CrackPot]

The flux raider is about 44oz unloaded. So it should be fine even pre 8/1. If over 50oz, must be 8/1

Seems braced AR pistols are ok if 8/1.

The flux raider needs to be a 8/1 FCU because its an ASF

Flux raider was not lawful in MA before the new law took effect because it was an AW under the old law. This is why I mention the date of the FCU.

braced AR pistols are find if 8/1

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

The flux raider needs to be a 8/1 FCU because its an ASF

Flux raider was not lawful in MA before the new law took effect because it was an AW under the old law. This is why I mention the date of the FCU.

braced AR pistols are find if 8/1

This post saved me time, money, and heartache. Thank you.

 

[DarkJoker33]

The flux raider is about 44oz unloaded. So it should be fine even pre 8/1. If over 50oz, must be 8/1

Seems braced AR pistols are ok if 8/1.

The flux raider needs to be a 8/1 FCU because its an ASF

Flux raider was not lawful in MA before the new law took effect because it was an AW under the old law. This is why I mention the date of the FCU.

braced AR pistols are find if 8/1

So if I'm reading it correctly, as long as I possessed my M&P before 8/1, I can add a folding/collapsible brace. Such as this
Recover Tactical® 20/22 for the Smith & Wesson M&P
But a stocked version and a front grip, I'd have to get a stamp for

 

[CrackPot]

So if I'm reading it correctly, as long as I possessed my M&P before 8/1, I can add a folding/collapsible brace. Such as this
Recover Tactical® 20/22 for the Smith & Wesson M&P
But a stocked version and a front grip, I'd have to get a stamp for

On 8/1. On 8/1. On 8/1. On 8/1

Yes, braced is pistol and stock is an SBR and needs a stamp

 

[chris_1001]

The flux raider needs to be a 8/1 FCU because its an ASF

Flux raider was not lawful in MA before the new law took effect because it was an AW under the old law. This is why I mention the date of the FCU.

braced AR pistols are find if 8/1

I literally (if I actually had one) got a 8/1 fcu just because (not that I have one).

I thought if under 50 oz. It was all good? Because of the mag “holder” in front?

Yeah. Seems AR and other (mp5 & clones) are GTG with a brace if 8/1

 

[jpdopes]

So if I'm reading it correctly, as long as I possessed my M&P before 8/1, I can add a folding/collapsible brace. Such as this
Recover Tactical® 20/22 for the Smith & Wesson M&P
But a stocked version and a front grip, I'd have to get a stamp for

Only as long as your M&P was never a rifle and was possessed in MA on 8/1. Federal law prohibits rifle lowers from being made into pistols.

 

[CrackPot]

Only as long as your M&P was never a rifle and was possessed in MA on 8/1. Federal law prohibits rifle lowers from being made into pistols.

semantics. A pistol made from a rifle is exactly that, firearm made from a rifle and in what is normally a pistol configuration requires a SBR tax stamp. So not quite prohibit, just taxed...

 

[CrackPot]

I literally (if I actually had one) got a 8/1 fcu just because (not that I have one).

I thought if under 50 oz. It was all good? Because of the mag “holder” in front?

Yeah. Seems AR and other (mp5 & clones) are GTG with a brace if 8/1

50oz for a pistol was a feature under the old assault weapon definition. It does not matter under the new law.

 

[DarkJoker33]

On 8/1. On 8/1. On 8/1. On 8/1

Yes, braced is pistol and stock is an SBR and needs a stamp

Thanks.
Is the front grip a stamp item because points of contact or it it just the stock that it'll classify it as so

 

[chris_1001]

50oz for a pistol was a feature under the old assault weapon definition. It does not matter under the new law.

That was my point. Not sure how a non 8/1 flux is not GTG at under 50 oz.

 

[CrackPot]

Thanks.
Is the front grip a stamp item because points of contact or it it just the stock that it'll classify it as so

you are confuddling state and federal law. under 16" barrel or under 26" OAL and a shoulderable stock requires a tax stamp. That is what drives a tax stamp

Features like grips and what not are MA law and about whether it is an ASF.

 

[CrackPot]

That was my point. Not sure how a non 8/1 flux is not GTG at under 50 oz.

49.2oz so yes, not a feature. Clearly a barrel shroud. The one I think is a serious risk is magazine outside the pistol grip. It is clearly designed to hold a magazine a a VFG. The language in the old AWB was "an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip". While it is not THE magazine that loads the gun and you might choose to read it that way and it might even have been the intent, the language is clearly satisfied as a plain english reading. So if they had wanted to jam you up previously, I think you had serious risk.

But these days just make sure the host going into the raider is 8/1 legal and none of this matters.

 

[chris_1001]

49.2oz so yes, not a feature. Clearly a barrel shroud. The one I think is a serious risk is magazine outside the pistol grip. It is clearly designed to hold a magazine a a VFG. The language in the old AWB was "an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip". While it is not THE magazine that loads the gun and you might choose to read it that way and it might even have been the intent, the language is clearly satisfied as a plain english reading. So if they had wanted to jam you up previously, I think you had serious risk.

But these days just make sure the host going into the raider is 8/1 legal and none of this matters.

If I actually had one, it’s most certainly an 8/1!

Just figured a post 8/1 might have been ok.

This state sucks!!!!

 

[CrackPot]

If I actually had one, it’s most certainly an 8/1!

Just figured a post 8/1 might have been ok.

This state sucks!!!!

That was my pre 8/1 analysis and whether it was legal under the old law (what I thought we were discussing)

The analysis is a little different but the conclusion is the same on a post 8/1 flux

The two features it has are
(ii) second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
(iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat


And your summary is dead on. This state sucks!!!!

 

[chris_1001]

That was my pre 8/1 analysis and whether it was legal under the old law (what I thought we were discussing)

The analysis is a little different but the conclusion is the same on a post 8/1 flux

The two features it has are
(ii) second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand
(iv) a shroud that encircles either all or part of the barrel designed to shield the bearer's hand from heat


And your summary is dead on. This state sucks!!!!

It’s absolutely crazy that what is a felony in one state is a protected right in another.

Freeedom
——————
Felony

A line on a map in the same country