I thought Mikey died because he ran out of Life?

rogersmithiii said:
www.healthday.com

Firearms Rarely Used For Protection Against Crime

WEDNESDAY, March 19, 2025 (HealthDay News) -- People often say they own a gun to protect themselves and their families.But firearms owners rarely use their weap
www.healthday.com www.healthday.com

So much for the idea that college professors were bright.

Go Mikey.
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I'm dumber for having read that.

By their logic, you shouldn't have homeowners insurance cuz most houses don't burn down in any given year.
 
rogersmithiii said:
www.healthday.com

Firearms Rarely Used For Protection Against Crime

WEDNESDAY, March 19, 2025 (HealthDay News) -- People often say they own a gun to protect themselves and their families.But firearms owners rarely use their weap
www.healthday.com www.healthday.com

So much for the idea that college professors were bright.

Go Mikey.
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This is statistics being used to tell any story we want.

It's true: most Americans will never be forced to defend themselves, so most Americans will never use a gun to do so, because America is generally a very safe place.

It's also true that those few people who are forced to defend themselves are more likely to be successful if they have access to overwhelming force and firearms provide access to that force.
 
SpaceCritter said:
I'm dumber for having read that.

By their logic, you shouldn't have homeowners insurance cuz most houses don't burn down in any given year.
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F that. Use that logic to repeal seatbelt laws. "I didn't use my seatbelt for 50 years. How dare you?"

Its the opposite of yesterday's "CCW stop more mass shootings than cops" argument. IT'S NOT ABOUT USEFULNESS. IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL ARGUMENT. GO TAKE UP YOUR COMPLAINT WITH TJ AND G-DUB!
 
VetteGirlMA said:
Another 'study' in search of a guided conclusion. I don't bother with little news sites like that especially if the owners are never known.
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+1 for the guided conclusion comment. Bias is bias, statistically speaking, and the data will always confess if you torture it enough. Poor study design is rampant in these "studies".
 
"“If individuals themselves have experienced gun violence or they more frequently have quick and ready access to their firearms, they may be more prone to perceiving threats and responding through the use of their firearm,” Anestis said. "

That's some heavy duty, logic twisting, fallacious reasoning bullshit right there.
 
I could write for them as a contrarian. "100% of the firearms owners we interviewed who shot an intruder to save their own lives were still alive when we interviewed them. This seems to indicate that shooting an intruder extends the life expectancy of the firearms owner."
 
gerrycaruso said:
College professors are bright? I know of one who put the ashes from his fireplace in a paper bag and stored it under his front porch. He lit his house on fire.
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It used to be thought that college folk are brilliant, but lacked common sense. What they're finding out with academic research scandals is not only are they not filled iwth common sense, they are much more likely to just cheat to get ahead without actually TESTING their F'ing own hypotheses.

Just like every other profession and group of people, the true # of "bright" ones is shockingly low.

Rockrivr1 said:
I know. Just passing along the urban rumors that went around back then. It was funny at the time as I seem to remember trying Pop Rocks and Soda just to see. You know, because as kids we are dumb! ;)
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My grandfather introduced me to pop rocks, circa 1977.

Now, my grandfather was infantry in 2Armored in WWII. Never talked about his action. Serious man. RBF 100% of the time unless he was telling a joke. He was 60, but he was a 1970's 60 - which looks like about 85 today.

So we go over one day. My grandparents are sitting around the dining room table, EATING POP ROCKS! I guess my uncle Eddie bought them. He's now ADDICTED TO THEM. I thought my folks would kill me if I tried them. LOL.

I've had them less than 10 times in my life. But I remember that first time. A warm weekend afternoon stopping in to see the grandfolks.
 
VetteGirlMA said:
Another 'study' in search of a guided conclusion. I don't bother with little news sites like that especially if the owners are never known.
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Additionally some huge % of stats/studies about guns are usually driven by antis trying to create a narrative out of whole cloth. So usually there's some kind of a bias or motive by default on whatever the so-called study is. Usually a good five or 10 minutes of rudimentary analysis will be able to show you where they intentionally left some variable out that would affect the outcome of the "study".


Like take this gem

"About 92% of gun owners say they’ve never used their firearm to protect themselves "

It's like well no shit Sherlock most of the United States believe it or not is not a violent shithole and not having to use a gun for SD doesn't invalidate somebody's reasons for having one.

Honestly most of the people who produced these studies are people who really belong on helicopters on a one-way ticket I would put them pretty high on the list because they're a huge part of the problem in this country basically creating lies and hyperbole to try to justify denying somebody their rights. Those mother f***ers in "public health" should stick to ranting about bed bugs or something that's actually in their lane and they need to f*** off and get f***ed about guns.
 
Dennis in MA said:
It used to be thought that college folk are brilliant, but lacked common sense. What they're finding out with academic research scandals is not only are they not filled iwth common sense, they are much more likely to just cheat to get ahead without actually TESTING their F'ing own hypotheses.

Just like every other profession and group of people, the true # of "bright" ones is shockingly low.



My grandfather introduced me to pop rocks, circa 1977.

Now, my grandfather was infantry in 2Armored in WWII. Never talked about his action. Serious man. RBF 100% of the time unless he was telling a joke. He was 60, but he was a 1970's 60 - which looks like about 85 today.

So we go over one day. My grandparents are sitting around the dining room table, EATING POP ROCKS! I guess my uncle Eddie bought them. He's now ADDICTED TO THEM. I thought my folks would kill me if I tried them. LOL.

I've had them less than 10 times in my life. But I remember that first time. A warm weekend afternoon stopping in to see the grandfolks.
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I used to work with a girl, her nickname was pop rocks.
She was a lot of fun.
 
Life jackets rarely used for protection against drowning. fewer than 1% of boaters have used their life jackets in the last year.

Fire extinguishers rarely used for protection against fires. fewer than 1% of fire extinguishers were used in the last year to put out a fire.

Homeowners insurance is rarely used for protection against catastrophic loss. fewer than 1% of home owners insurance users used their insurance against catastrophic loss in the last year.

Need I go on??
 
dcmdon said:
Life jackets rarely used for protection against drowning. fewer than 1% of boaters have used their life jackets in the last year.

Fire extinguishers rarely used for protection against fires. fewer than 1% of fire extinguishers were used in the last year to put out a fire.

Homeowners insurance is rarely used for protection against catastrophic loss. fewer than 1% of home owners insurance users used their insurance against catastrophic loss in the last year.

Need I go on??
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Agreed. Wearing a seatbelt isn't my favorite thing, but I put it on no matter where I am. It's the same with my helmet while I'm on my motorcycle. I've ride in NH and buddies I ride with take their helmet off. I leave mine on as I've seen what happens when naked head hits rock solid pavement at speed. Nope, I'd rather not be that case in the event something happens.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
Agreed. Wearing a seatbelt isn't my favorite thing, but I put it on no matter where I am. It's the same with my helmet while I'm on my motorcycle. I've ride in NH and buddies I ride with take their helmet off. I leave mine on as I've seen what happens when naked head hits rock solid pavement at speed. Nope, I'd rather not be that case in the event something happens.
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I forgot about helmets. Yup. Most helmet wearers don't need them in a given year,.

I grew up racing motorcycles. My dad obviously funded it for most of the time I raced. The rule was simple. If I was ever caught riding without a helmet, even if it's just a short distance, all support would end.

After wearing a helmet religiously for so long, it just feels wrong without it.
 
What always drives me nuts about these stupid anti gun "Study" things is its always some f***ing maudlin schloque bullshit that they're trying to sell, like "bweah, a gun is more likely to kill a family member"

You know what I want to tell these people? GO f*** YOURSELVES.

All of these f***ing people should be the first ones out of the choppers. They are the most evil form of communist, basically trying to cast anyone who owns a gun as being
evil or a liability to society.
 
Dadstoys said:
Guy is talking out of his ass.
www.americanrifleman.org

An Official Journal Of The NRA | The Armed Citizen®

Millions of Americans use firearms to defend themselves, their families and their homes. We highlight the remarkable stories of these Armed Citizens every week.
www.americanrifleman.org www.americanrifleman.org
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The other thing is that the vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) are never reported.
That's because in the majority of DGUs, no shots are fired. Simply presenting the firearm causes the aggressor to reconsider his choices.

And if a shot is fired, most of the time nobody is actually hit. So again, it may never be reported.

Finally, there is the issue wit underreporting of DGUs. If someone called you home and said they were conducting a survey. It's completely confidential. Have you never shot someone in self defense?? How many people who had actually defended themselves with firearms would say "Yes. Yup, I shot someone ".
 
dcmdon said:
The other thing is that the vast majority of defensive gun uses (DGUs) are never reported.
That's because in the majority of DGUs, no shots are fired. Simply presenting the firearm causes the aggressor to reconsider his choices.

And if a shot is fired, most of the time nobody is actually hit. So again, it may never be reported.

Finally, there is the issue wit underreporting of DGUs. If someone called you home and said they were conducting a survey. It's completely confidential. Have you never shot someone in self defense?? How many people who had actually defended themselves with firearms would say "Yes. Yup, I shot someone ".
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All I've had to do once in the past was open up my jacket and smile .
The fine young gents intending to mug me beat feet like their ass was on fire.
Saw no need to involve the man and put myself in a bad situation.
 
Dadstoys said:
All I've had to do once in the past was open up my jacket and smile .
The fine young gents intending to mug me beat feet like their ass was on fire.
Saw no need to involve the man and put myself in a bad situation.
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Same. My wife and I were leaving the Worcester Galleria and were walking in the parking garage back to our car. I heard something behind us and noticed two people of color following us and they made eye contact with me and didn’t look away. I knew we were in trouble. They split up a bit so they were on both side of the lane and coming up fast. It was a cold day so I had a jacket. I turned sideways, flipped my jacket and shirt back and put my hand on my gun that was IWB. Both of the guys immediately turned around and started trotting in the opposite direction. It was a HUGE relief. If I wasn’t armed it would have definitely had a different outcome.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
Agreed. Wearing a seatbelt isn't my favorite thing, but I put it on no matter where I am. It's the same with my helmet while I'm on my motorcycle. I've ride in NH and buddies I ride with take their helmet off. I leave mine on as I've seen what happens when naked head hits rock solid pavement at speed. Nope, I'd rather not be that case in the event something happens.
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dcmdon said:
I forgot about helmets. Yup. Most helmet wearers don't need them in a given year,.

I grew up racing motorcycles. My dad obviously funded it for most of the time I raced. The rule was simple. If I was ever caught riding without a helmet, even if it's just a short distance, all support would end.

After wearing a helmet religiously for so long, it just feels wrong without it.
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Yup grew up riding dirt bikes and the helmet rule was in full effect

About a decade ago I had a street bike and I had to move it working the Newport boat show once
Rode it around the block with no helmet and it really felt weird but the really noticeable thing was how much more I could hear with it off…. Seemed like I could hear every nut bolt and clamp rattling
 

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