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It's now on Whitehouse.gov...
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Here's Obama saying he "won't take your shotgun away. Won't take your rifle away. Won't take your handgun away"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHkMADXnOw&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHkMADXnOw&NR=1
In the end there is nothing that will "save us" if they decide they are going to pass any form of gun legislation. People keep thinking that by voting they will change something. I fail to see how that has been working out for us. The vote in Congress to pass the first $815 billion or whatever it was bailout package - even though something like 95% of the people were against it - should show you that in the end Congress will do whatever it wants.
Now I hear that there is another $850 billion or so bailout package in the works - and nobody really even discusses it.
The point is that everybody gets all worked up into a lather over the small stuff - and then they slip the big stuff under the door and nobody even objects. I would be willing to bet that they try the same tactics with any sort of anti gun legislation they try to push thru.
I tossed up the idea for a march on Beacon Hill and we never got anywhere, let alone DC.
I thought it would take a while, guess I was wrong. My fear is that crime will go up in '09, simply due to a poor economy. If assault weapons are banned, then the anti-gunners will be more free to go after other guns. Or perhaps conceal carry, or make it harder to purchase firearms, or ___.
I wasn't aware New Hampshire avoided the AWB - how did that happen?
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I'm up for it!
I just don't know how to organize it and I don't know which organizations would.
And that's just it. Many of the people posting on this and other gun forums are little better than the sheep grazing in the field of Liberalism. Talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Get served a plate of injustice and come to the internet to talk tough and puke it up...When Ray started a thread about marching on Beacon Hill, there was stunned silence, (GOAL's silence was the loudest and most puzzling) and a smattering of, "I'll see if I can get the time off"...Nonsense. The problem is, we have become a collective of whiners - myself included for a while - but no more! We've become too comfortable with our lives, jobs, big screen tv's, and kid's soccer games. Imagine the guy at The Boston Tea Party who said: "sorry fellas - can't make it - my kid has a volleyball game"...
![[thinking]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/010.gif "Thinking [thinking]")
We have become too comfortable suckling off the teet of .gov, (whether we admit it or not) and have forgotten about the cost of liberty. it requires living beyond yourself, but especially in a state where rolling over and taking it has become the norm, another AWB will come and stay this time unless we ACT! Look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself what you're willing to do to preserve freedom - to fight for liberty. Ask yourself honestly, then get back to me about what a bitch the AWB is....The internet has tons of gigs for whiners , but the real fight is away from the comfort of your computer chair....
Well Said......
Hitting the nail on the head!!!!
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So who here will take to a letter writing campaign, (not E-mail)? Who here will go door to door and organize? Who here will put pressure on elected officials, (local, state and federal)? Who here will put pressure on the NRA to not sit idly by again? Who here will take to the streets if need be - march on Beacon Hill, march on Washington? Who here will make their voices heard beyond the confines of your keyboard? Who here will at last prioritize liberty above a soccer game, or getting the time off work? Who here is willing to sacrifice?![[wave]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/011.gif "Wave [wave]")
Hitting the nail on the head!!!!
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johnN
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this already started in 08. the push to get my ltc was a friend came home one day and found to guys in his house. one of the leo's told him that it was getting worse and they had been seeing a rise in b&e's. two days later heard a call on the scanner same thing but with a assault of the home owner. it will get worse before it gets better.
"I'll see if I can get the time off"...Nonsense. The problem is, we have become a collective of whiners - myself included for a while - but no more! We've become too comfortable with our lives, jobs, big screen tv's, and kid's soccer games. Imagine the guy at The Boston Tea Party who said: "sorry fellas - can't make it - my kid has a volleyball game"...
Thats it, right there - this is why we have elected a Socialist, radical. Now it is easy for me to criticize - I am a singe 28 yr old on the internet. But so many people are unwilling to get involved because of their child's volleyball game etc etc etc. Of course your children come first - especially their freedom!!
I will march - name the time place - unfortunately this was tried on www.righttokeepandbeararms.com but never gained traction. But I think a New England march would be possible - whose in?
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Thats it, right there - this is why we have elected a Socialist, radical. Now it is easy for me to criticize - I am a singe 28 yr old on the internet. But so many people are unwilling to get involved because of their child's volleyball game etc etc etc. Of course your children come first - especially their freedom!!
I will march - name the time place - unfortunately this was tried on www.righttokeepandbeararms.com but never gained traction. But I think a New England march would be possible - whose in?
e-mail at [email protected]
I value my rights over a couple of days pay.
I'll march wherever and whenever and get there no matter what.
The ones who say "I'll see if I can get the time off" might as well say "I'll see if I can make arrangements to fall into place and be a good slave"
I'll march wherever and whenever and get there no matter what.
The ones who say "I'll see if I can get the time off" might as well say "I'll see if I can make arrangements to fall into place and be a good slave"
And that's normal - mine did too. The trick lies in picking it up off the floor and using that same feeling to fight....
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Agreed!!!
This should be coming as no surprise to anyone. It has been on his website since he started campaigning.
Sorry to say...but I think we are all too late!!
M
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so in mass we still live under the AWB that sunsetted federally. So when they put it back in federally NOTHING CHANGES HERE, we just now have company in our misery.
I don't see what the gun show loophole is unless they are talking about the ability in some states to buy long guns face to face with no paperwork filed federally. There is not one in mass so once again nothing changes here.
Police access to gun owner data. I don't know how I feel about this. I just always assumed once the FA-10 form was filed, the whole freakin state probably has access to it.
Traceable ammo? that will never go through unless the govt throws money at ammo manufacturers to cover the cost of implimenting it and all the retailers to be able to record it. The technology is there, the execution is not. I consider this dead.
Heller does nothing here. As long as they screw around with AWB like items they can do what they want as long as they don't outright ban guns. Just neuter them.
I don't see what the gun show loophole is unless they are talking about the ability in some states to buy long guns face to face with no paperwork filed federally. There is not one in mass so once again nothing changes here.
Police access to gun owner data. I don't know how I feel about this. I just always assumed once the FA-10 form was filed, the whole freakin state probably has access to it.
Traceable ammo? that will never go through unless the govt throws money at ammo manufacturers to cover the cost of implimenting it and all the retailers to be able to record it. The technology is there, the execution is not. I consider this dead.
Heller does nothing here. As long as they screw around with AWB like items they can do what they want as long as they don't outright ban guns. Just neuter them.
Depends on the AWB. One of the new ones basically bans semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines.
"Gun show loophole" means ending FTF transfers completely. Not sure what you're talking about with there not being one in MA. You can sell up to 4 guns a year with no federal paperwork. If the so called "gun show loophole" is closed, that means all transactions must go through an FFL. The big deal in MA is this means no more buying/selling of off list handguns.
Actually, the issue will be in the rest of the country, pre-ban will mean pre-AWB2, whereas in MA it means pre-94.
True. As a Mass resident, I still can't legally alter my guns to pre AWB config. I can't legally own post ban mags, blah, blah, blah, you now the rest.
Even if we in Mass still live under an AWB and continue to do so for years to come, I see no reason why any politician should force the rest of the country to do so and will protest any new ban regardless if it affects us behind the Iron Curtain or not.
kevin9
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Others have talked to the other points.
The gun-banner claim that the Tiahrt Amendment prevents law enforcement access to BATF trace data is a bald-faced lie, even worse than the so-called "gun show loophole" mis-direction. The information is already available to federal, state, and local agencies "in connection with and for use in a bona fide criminal investigation or prosecution" or for use in administrative actions by BATFE. The Amendment tries to block access to the information by federal and state AGs and others government agencies for using in actions like suing gun manufacturers, harassment of FFLs by state and local agencies, inventorying of gun ownership for regulatory or confiscatory purposes, and who know what else they can dream up.
At least now we can get pre-ban mags for cheap. If the entire country went back under the shadow of an AWB, the rest of Free America would be scrambling to find them as well, so there would be much less availability and the cost would be much higher.
If nothing else, join GOA, GOAL, NRA, JPFO.
If you are already a member encourage others and donate what you can afford.
You can not march today but you can try to counter the ASB through these organizations.
If you are already a member encourage others and donate what you can afford.
You can not march today but you can try to counter the ASB through these organizations.
Well, given the fact that Obama is going to supposedly help our economy... he can start by lightening up with the anti gun shit so we can continue to contribute to the economy by buying affordable firearms, magazines, and ammuntion.
The more money we gun owners can afford to contribute to businesses, the better our economy will be.
If he continues to scare people into supply and demand, the average gun owner won't be able to afford guns, magazines, or ammo.
See, here is where the antis are smart as hell. If they can't legally take away your rights, they can take away your ability to buy.
Exactly my concern. There is little the government can do that will really improve the economy for the long term. But they're going to want to look like they're doing something "good." The same mentality is what has given us most of the stupid gun laws in Massachusetts.
When Benito Mussolini was criticized for destroying democracy in Italy with his Fascist government, some people defended him by saying "Well, at least he made the trains run on time."
I fear we'll be hearing a lot of similar comments over the next four years.
