Kel Tec PR57

[MAGA99]

Just saw an add on X for this:

Interesting new 5.7. You can’t deny KelTec that tries to make interesting shit.

Just got me wondering, would this be kosher in mass?? Not a removable magazine.



Yes, I understand KelTecs reputation and quality level.

PR57 | 5.7mm Rotary Barrel Pistol | 20 Round Capacity

Unique & light. The PR57 is our 1st rotating barrel firearm and the lightest 5.7 pistol on the market. Its slim, streamlined design make it perfect for edc, and turning heads at the range.

www.keltecweapons.com

 

[jkelly1229]

That really blurry picture of it at a weird angle kinda almost makes it not retarded looking

 

[MAGA99]

That really blurry picture of it at a weird angle kinda almost makes it not retarded looking

I think interesting is a fair description, eh?

Loads with two 10-rnd stripper clips….so, mass kosher??

 

[PappyM3]

Not touching that with a 10 foot pole, but I appreciate Keltec doing new/different stuff.

I think interesting is a fair description, eh?

Loads with two 10-rnd stripper clips….so, mass kosher??

Nope, still has a fixed magazine that can hold more than 10.

 

[jkelly1229]

I think interesting is a fair description, eh?

Loads with two 10-rnd stripper clips….so, mass kosher??

Why? That's gayer than @hminsky's new account

Mags only

 

[basscatfrank]

Me: That looks so stupid.

Also me: I want one.

 

[T-Unit]

Kel Tec will sell a 10 rd version for ban states that will have a follower easily removed to hold 20 and nobody will be none the wiser.

I am not opposed to fixed magazine pistols as they do have some advatages and as we know reloads are very rare in a defensive use. I'm just not interested in the 5.7 caliber, but Kel Tec went with it because they probably found the fixed mag pistols work best with a bottleneck case and as a blowback, so not much else out there that could be used in such a pistol except maybe the near dead .22 TCM and practically dead .32 NAA.

Kel Tec's quality has improved from what it was 20 years ago. IMO, the key to avoiding a bad KT is when they release a new product to wait a year before buying and generally avoid their cheapest pistols, P32 not withstanding.

 

[CATI]

 

[T-Unit]

Fukk the gun, I'll take the brunette instructor and teach her my Rule of Three.

1. 3 Holes
2. 3 Inches
3. 3 Pumps


View: https://youtu.be/EbBv30yYYqQ?si=azNFgAAgXBDOE1FG

 

[drgrant]

Just saw an add on X for this:
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Interesting new 5.7. You can’t deny KelTec that tries to make interesting shit.

Just got me wondering, would this be kosher in mass?? Not a removable magazine.



Yes, I understand KelTecs reputation and quality level.

PR57 | 5.7mm Rotary Barrel Pistol | 20 Round Capacity

Unique & light. The PR57 is our 1st rotating barrel firearm and the lightest 5.7 pistol on the market. Its slim, streamlined design make it perfect for edc, and turning heads at the range.

www.keltecweapons.com

That's just a design to maximize skinflinting.

The ultimate weekend gun coomer buy for rednecks with a few hundo burning a hole in their pocket.

 

[drgrant]

Kel Tec will sell a 10 rd version for ban states that will have a follower easily removed to hold 20 and nobody will be none the wiser.

I am not opposed to fixed magazine pistols as they do have some advatages and as we know reloads are very rare in a defensive use. I'm just not interested in the 5.7 caliber, but Kel Tec went with it because they probably found the fixed mag pistols work best with a bottleneck case and as a blowback, so not much else out there that could be used in such a pistol except maybe the near dead .22 TCM and practically dead .32 NAA.

Kel Tec's quality has improved from what it was 20 years ago. IMO, the key to avoiding a bad KT is when they release a new product to wait a year before buying and generally avoid their cheapest pistols, P32 not withstanding.

There is no advantage to this other than it entices people to buy a 57 who shouldn't be wasting their money on stupid shit. Why do people always want to frost turds?

 

[drgrant]

Me: That looks so stupid.

Also me: I want one.

Do you have a lighter and $300 in cash? (Or whatever this is) Just set it on fire, end result is the same. Horrible buy.

 

[T-Unit]

There is no advantage to this other than it entices people to buy a 57 who shouldn't be wasting their money on stupid shit. Why do people always want to frost turds?

Forget about Kel Tec or 5.7 for a minute... Do you think there is absolutely ZERO benefit to a pistol with an internal magazine knowing the odds of having to reload in a defensive situation are exceptionally small?

 

[drgrant]

Forget about Kel Tec or 5.7 for a minute... Do you think there is absolutely ZERO benefit to a pistol with an internal magazine knowing the odds of having to reload in a defensive situation are exceptionally small?

There's no f***ing advantage of that you can't convince me of that in a million years so don't even try.

They should call this gun the DSP 57 because basically it's punching yourself directly in the dick if you're stupid enough to buy it.

Earlier we spoke about negative value sometime ago this gun is the epitome of negative value.

 

[T-Unit]

There's no f***ing advantage of that you can't convince me of that in a million years so don't even try.

They should call this gun the DSP 57 because basically it's punching yourself directly in the dick if you're stupid enough to buy it.

Earlier we spoke about negative value sometime ago this gun is the epitome of negative value.

I guess if Glock came out with a 9mm stripper clip pistol you'd think differently, but whatever.

I'm not saying I like this, I don't like 5.7 and with it being KT it's not going to be Glock Perfection, but I don't find the idea to be devoid of reason.

With a worthless currency, the notion of negative value is an oxymoron when it comes to gun purchasing.

 

[jkelly1229]

Forget about Kel Tec or 5.7 for a minute... Do you think there is absolutely ZERO benefit to a pistol with an internal magazine knowing the odds of having to reload in a defensive situation are exceptionally small?

Yeah entirely useless

Just sell pre loaded 20 round guns for 60 bucks so i can throw it away after the first mag

 

[jkelly1229]

I guess if Glock came out with a 9mm stripper clip pistol you'd think differently, but whatever.

I'm not saying I like this, I don't like 5.7 and with it being KT it's not going to be Glock Perfection, but I don't find the idea to be devoid of reason.

With a worthless currency, the notion of negative value is an oxymoron when it comes to gun purchasing.

This is about as useless as it gets to me.

And i like keltec occasionally

The cp33
Pmr
Cmr
P17

Are great guns

 

[T-Unit]

Yeah entirely useless

Just sell pre loaded 20 round guns for 60 bucks so i can throw it away after the first mag

Ok, then you must be of the opinion anything that's not a semi automatic that doesn't use detachable magazines is useless, be it rifle or handgun.

That's fine to believe that, but you're wrong.

 

[not new guy]

What about top loading stripper clips is in any way desirable? Notice in the video that they never show the entire loading process? It’s all quick cuts that leave out the beginning and end of it, and the bit they do show of the guy trying to thumb f*** it looks pretty clumsy.

 

[jkelly1229]

Ok, then you must be of the opinion anything that's not a semi automatic that doesn't use detachable magazines is useless, be it rifle or handgun.

That's fine to believe that, but you're wrong.

Give me one advantage this has over any of the semi 5.7s with detachable mags...

You're extrapolating an argument I'm not making because your wrong and ignoring the 9 competitors already on the market with detachable mags

 

[T-Unit]

Give me one advantage this has over any of the semi 5.7s with detachable mags...

You're extrapolating an argument I'm not making because your wrong and ignoring the 9 competitors already on the market with detachable mags

There are advantages to the fixed magazine, the biggest being improved feeding reliability as the magazine has zero play. The capacities of internal mags is also able to be higher, not that that matters in a 10 rd state for a full size, but something small like say an LCP you could get more rounds in it.

Nobody besides Kellegren has made a fixed internal mag fed pistol in a century, there are probably engineers at Ruger and Smith who had no idea prior to playing Battlefield 1 or Red Dead 2 that a semi auto pistol could have an internal fixed mag, so they don't think outside the box magazine.

If you're not bothering to carry a spare magazine, what benefit is there to having a detachable magazine other than when you decide it's been 3 months since your last range trip and you want to blow 100 rds downrange in 3 minutes so you can get home and watch TV sooner?

 

[jkelly1229]

There are advantages to the fixed magazine, the biggest being improved feeding reliability as the magazine has zero play. The capacities of internal mags is also able to be higher, not that that matters in a 10 rd state for a full size, but something small like say an LCP you could get more rounds in it.

Nobody besides Kellegren has made a fixed internal mag fed pistol in a century, there are probably engineers at Ruger and Smith who had no idea prior to playing Battlefield 1 or Red Dead 2 that a semi auto pistol could have an internal fixed mag, so they don't think outside the box magazine.

If you're not bothering to carry a spare magazine, what benefit is there to having a detachable magazine other than when you decide it's been 3 months since your last range trip and you want to blow 100 rds downrange in 3 minutes so you can get home and watch TV sooner?

Replacing the spring...working on the gun.. if something jams in a 20 dollar mag who cares if it jams in my gun.. problem.

Running drills..

Double feed issues

Being able to take a full mag out and put it in the safe in case my kid wants to play with it

F**k up your muscle memory

Not dealing with shitty stripper clips

And if no one has done it in 100 years...imma need some data to backup your claim its more reliable.

 

[T-Unit]

Replacing the spring...working on the gun.. if something jams in a 20 dollar mag who cares if it jams in my gun.. problem.

Running drills..

Double feed issues

Being able to take a full mag out and put it in the safe in case my kid wants to play with it

F**k up your muscle memory

Not dealing with shitty stripper clips

And if no one has done it in 100 years...imma need some data to backup your claim its more reliable.

That's a lot "ifs" that may not happen and muscle memory issues are all worked thru with training if you're not lazy.

The fixed mag pistols of 100+ years ago were made in a different time and largely for military use in tough climates.

Unless you're storming trenches and crawling thru mud on the daily, I think a fixed mag for your weekly grocery or liquor run will work fine with a modern made pistol.

 

[jkelly1229]

That's a lot "ifs" that may not happen and muscle memory issues are all worked thru with training if you're not lazy.

The fixed mag pistols of 100+ years ago were made in a different time and largely for military use in tough climates.

Unless you're storming trenches and crawling thru mud on the daily, I think a fixed mag for your weekly grocery or liquor run will work fine with a modern made pistol.

Sure it'll work

But why do i want it?

And if its so reliable in trench warfare

Why are no armies using the design in the current conflict

 

[Coyote33]

Why are no armies using the design in the current conflict

I'd say because it JUST CAME OUT.

 

[T-Unit]

Sure it'll work

But why do i want it?

And if its so reliable in trench warfare

Why are no armies using the design in the current conflict

If you don't want it, you don't want it. Nothing wrong with buying what you want, but when you say something is useless and has no merit, you're wrong.

Handgun use in warfare had dropped off considerably since the 1940s, the doctrine for warfare the past century has been to hit the enemy from a distance he can't hit you. Handguns don't follow that doctrine. Why militaries aren't using such handguns probably has to do with them not being submitted for trials and testing. Even if they were, I'm not sure the military would want them, not now given the officers of the past century have been trained using detachable mags.

And I'm sure the generals are as focused on fastest reloads as possible just like civilians are and unlike civilians carrying, the odds of having to reload a pistol in a firefight are very high.

Never said they were reliable in trenches, I don't know. Maybe NES should start a fundraiser to send a few to Ukraine and have them test it out.

I'm sure the Boomercons would be whipping out their checkbook to donate and write in the memo "SLAVA UKRAINE!!!"

 

[jkelly1229]

If you don't want it, you don't want it. Nothing wrong with buying what you want, but when you say something is useless and has no merit, you're wrong.

Handgun use in warfare had dropped off considerably since the 1940s, the doctrine for warfare the past century has been to hit the enemy from a distance he can't hit you. Handguns don't follow that doctrine. Why militaries aren't using such handguns probably has to do with them not being submitted for trials and testing. Even if they were, I'm not sure the military would want them, not now given the officers of the past century have been trained using detachable mags.

And I'm sure the generals are as focused on fastest reloads as possible just like civilians are and unlike civilians carrying, the odds of having to reload a pistol in a firefight are very high.

Never said they were reliable in trenches, I don't know. Maybe NES should start a fundraiser to send a few to Ukraine and have them test it out.

I'm sure the Boomercons would be whipping out their checkbook to donate and write in the memo "SLAVA UKRAINE!!!"

You literally said unless you're storming trenches.

I'm not sure what ridiculous point you think you're making here.

But just say it..a fixed mag hand gun is a bad idea

 

[T-Unit]

You literally said unless you're storming trenches.

I'm not sure what ridiculous point you think you're making here.

But just say it..a fixed mag hand gun is a bad idea

I said that meaning a detachable mag pistol may be better for trenches and mud crawling because they have a track record of doing that while C96s and Steyr 1912s only have history of use in trenches in WW1 and happened to be used by the side that lost.

So, hey, you may have just propsed and validated a theory that the reason Germany and Austria lost WW1 wasn't due to poor strategy, but because they were using fixed mag pistols.

Quick! Send a letter to the Dean at West Point, you might get tenure.

 

[tuna]

The clip looks over engineered, will probably cost as much as a mag would. This design might be OK if it used cheap and readily available .223 stripper clips (I have no idea if the base of 5.7 and .223 is even close to be honest, but that and SKS clips are the only ones that are common and cheap), but then you've still got all the detractions already pointed out.

The gun itself looks like someone had a fever dream full of gun designs of 1900: you've got the clip loading internal mag, the rounded top that looks vaguely like an old Astra / JP Saur & Sohn / Browning design, that long grip that looks like it was made for piano players with long creepy fingers.

Only thing this has going for it is the ability to make the range's grammar Nazis go crazy when you keep asking your buddy to "pass me a clip."

 

[Dennis in MA]

Rotataration Barrel???? But. . . . why???? So it can have some sort of AR-Bolt-Pattern shape on teh front of it?