Kel Tec PR57

[BTSDOG]

So, is there a way to quick unload it ? other than racking the slide about 30 times ?

 

[Ken]

Didn't Kellgren, owner of Keltec, make a pistol in the late 80's that had a fixed mag like this? Think it was called the Grendel p10. Held 11 rounds loaded from the top. Think it used stripper clips. I believe some police used it as a backup pistol. This might be using a similar or the same design.

 

[Mesatchornug]

so, it's positioned as a carry gun, with no external safety, nor trigger safety...where have we seen that lately?

 

[tuna]

Didn't Kellgren, owner of Keltec, make a pistol in the late 80's that had a fixed mag like this? Think it was called the Grendel p10. Held 11 rounds loaded from the top. Think it used stripper clips. I believe some police used it as a backup pistol. This might be using a similar or the same design.

Yes, but that used the M16 style stripper clips instead of this giant proprietary abortion of a clip.

 

[jkelly1229]

Didn't Kellgren, owner of Keltec, make a pistol in the late 80's that had a fixed mag like this? Think it was called the Grendel p10. Held 11 rounds loaded from the top. Think it used stripper clips. I believe some police used it as a backup pistol. This might be using a similar or the same design.

I thought the grendel was the precursor to the pmr 30? But i could be wrong

 

[jkelly1229]

So, is there a way to quick unload it ? other than racking the slide about 30 times ?

Shoot it?

 

[T-Unit]

The clip looks over engineered, will probably cost as much as a mag would. This design might be OK if it used cheap and readily available .223 stripper clips (I have no idea if the base of 5.7 and .223 is even close to be honest, but that and SKS clips are the only ones that are common and cheap), but then you've still got all the detractions already pointed out.

The gun itself looks like someone had a fever dream full of gun designs of 1900: you've got the clip loading internal mag, the rounded top that looks vaguely like an old Astra / JP Saur & Sohn / Browning design, that long grip that looks like it was made for piano players with long creepy fingers.

Only thing this has going for it is the ability to make the range's grammar Nazis go crazy when you keep asking your buddy to "pass me a clip."

I think most who buy this will be 3D printing their own clips or there will be aftermarket clips made for it if it gains steam.

A 20 rd fairly compact 5.7 pistol that sells for $300 will get some attention.

 

[paul73]

Kel Tec will sell a 10 rd version for ban states that will have a follower easily removed to hold 20 and nobody will be none the wiser.

I am not opposed to fixed magazine pistols as they do have some advatages and as we know reloads are very rare in a defensive use. I'm just not interested in the 5.7 caliber, but Kel Tec went with it because they probably found the fixed mag pistols work best with a bottleneck case and as a blowback, so not much else out there that could be used in such a pistol except maybe the near dead .22 TCM and practically dead .32 NAA.

Kel Tec's quality has improved from what it was 20 years ago. IMO, the key to avoiding a bad KT is when they release a new product to wait a year before buying and generally avoid their cheapest pistols, P32 not withstanding.

Next innovation will be a one (1) round fixed top loading magazine

 

[KBCraig]

Topped up with both clips carried as spares, it's a 41 round package, and very compact.

Would I use it as my EDC? Probably not. As something to grab when gremlins are coming through the door? Maybe, but for that I'd prefer something full sized.

It's trying to fill an odd space: compact, high cap, with great penetration.

Kel-Tec exists because they fill odd spaces that other makers haven't identified. I just wish they'd add some mag capacity to their carbines.

 

[Rocky Mosasaurus]

Hey, Kel-Tec, me and the girly kid from School of Rock have something to say to you!

Can you for once make some shit that’s not fu king plastic-looking and not prone to multiple fail-points? That would be great!

 

[jkelly1229]

Topped up with both clips carried as spares, it's a 41 round package, and very compact.

Would I use it as my EDC? Probably not. As something to grab when gremlins are coming through the door? Maybe, but for that I'd prefer something full sized.

It's trying to fill an odd space: compact, high cap, with great penetration.

Kel-Tec exists because they fill odd spaces that other makers haven't identified. I just wish they'd add some mag capacity to their carbines.

How long is the barrel? I thought kinda under 5 inches made 5.7 underwhelming (thats what she said)

 

[T-Unit]

Next innovation will be a one (1) round fixed top loading magazine

Bond Arms already makes that???

 

[T-Unit]

How long is the barrel? I thought kinda under 5 inches made 5.7 underwhelming (thats what she said)

4 and a half inches. Just being a 5 inch barrel makes the 5.7 less than stellar, but people are buying these 5.7 pistols in the free states because capacity and accurate mag dumping is king now.

I'm a bit shocked because for the longest time I figured the fulcrum of the pistol owner at large was having the cheapest caliber in 9mm. Every other caliber except maybe .380, 10mm, and .45 have flopped because the complaint is always price price price. Then when all the cheaper 5.7 pistols started coming out I wasn't convinced that the public would swarm to the caliber at the prices that 5.7 ammo was costing years ago just for a few more rounds in the mag and the low recoil, but apparently they have because everyone is making a pistol in 5.7 now except as always, Glock.

Maybe in 2030 when Glock finally follows the pack then drgrant will change his mind on the 5.7 because he'll see dollar signs with the Glock as that's not a negative value brand.

 

[jkelly1229]

4 and a half inches. Just being a 5 inch barrel makes the 5.7 less than stellar, but people are buying these 5.7 pistols in the free states because capacity and accurate mag dumping is king now.

I'm a bit shocked because for the longest time I figured the fulcrum of the pistol owner at large was having the cheapest caliber in 9mm. Every other caliber except maybe .380, 10mm, and .45 have flopped because the complaint is always price price price. Then when all the cheaper 5.7 pistols started coming out I wasn't convinced that the public would swarm to the caliber at the prices that 5.7 ammo was costing years ago just for a few more rounds in the mag and the low recoil, but apparently they have because everyone is making a pistol in 5.7 now except as always, Glock.

Maybe in 2030 when Glock finally follows the pack then drgrant will change his mind on the 5.7 because he'll see dollar signs with the Glock as that's not a negative value brand.

I mean i always wanted one but ammo cost was killer

But its cheaper than 45 currently so maybe its time

 

[Yotacrawler]

We own two KelTec Rifles. They do have good customer service. My son has an RDB that he likes and it runs well.
I have a SU-16 Charlie. It blew up first range trip. I shot two 20 round mags of frontier 55 grain, then the RSO asked to try it. He shot one mag. Handed it back to me. He liked it. Then after he walked away I realized the receiver had split and broken. It was still shooting. I called Kel-Tec they emailed a label. I had it back in my hands five days after they got it with a new barrel and receiver same serial with an A added at the end. Shoots great now. It’s light, shoots while folded but I wouldn’t use it in a real world situation where my life depended on it.

 

[KBCraig]

If Kel-Tec wants to get serious and have more people buying their pistols as carry guns, they need to partner with a holster maker.

"Here's your complete carry package: a KT pistol, fitted holster, and mag carrier!"

A partner like Fobus would be perfect: plastic, cheap, but perfectly functional.

 

[jkelly1229]

If Kel-Tec wants to get serious and have more people buying their pistols as carry guns, they need to partner with a holster maker.

"Here's your complete carry package: a KT pistol, fitted holster, and mag carrier!"

A partner like Fobus would be perfect: plastic, cheap, but perfectly functional.

And a light company.

Nothing more annoying than searching for hours for an obscure gun/light combo holster

 

[Coyote33]

Holsters would be nice, but if enough people are buying the guns, someone will come out with a holster.

I could not care less about lights.

 

[T-Unit]

Weapon lights have much more use for home defense than conceal carry.

 

[Coyote33]

Weapon lights have much more use for home defense than conceal carry.

Right. And the much greater penetration of these guns is not as desirable for home defense use for many people. So even LESS of a case for lights in that use then.

 

[T-Unit]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mQMFoPSUaY


The once future director of the ATF kind of makes the point that once you become so big you can no longer innovate and Kel Tec, being a small company, is always going to be able to. For a time, Ruger actually was innovative, I mean, who in the 1970s was asking for a modern percussion revolver or the 50s for a single action revolver? This was ancient stuff at those times, yet people flocked to it with the small company at the time called Ruger.

Even Glock was innovative when it started out, then stopped because it could coast remaking the same thing like Disney does today. Oh yeah, Disney use to be innovative and creative once too.

I'm not gonna drone on, I think I made my point. The gun industry is no longer able to innovate and instead has fallen into recycling or copycatting.

 

[Coyote33]

Yes, but they can innovate AND make the quality better. And it is already "OK", it would not take a lot to make it much better. Take some of the ideas and just improve slightly on the materials and it would go a long way to better overall quality for not a whole lot more cost.

Henry came out with the Homesteader. People were clamoring for a remake of the old "camp carbine", and this seems to be very similar to that. Now, if Ruger could successfully bring back the 10/22 Magnum, the 44 Deerstalker and 44 Deerfield, the Model 96 stainless in 22 Mag and 44 Mag, and some other successes.

Ruger .44 Magnum Carbines

Ruger has offered pistol-caliber carbines over the last 60 years chambered in .44 Magnum, including two semi-automatics, the Deerstalker and Deerfield, as well

gunsmagazine.com

It would be fun to see Kimber, Kahr, Sig, or some other big names come out with some plinker 22's, some serious PCC's, and some nice hunting guns. (Yes, I know some already have, but I'm just lumping those names in together as and example.)

 

[drgrant]

I thought the grendel was the precursor to the pmr 30? But i could be wrong

The one he is talking about is more like a precursor to the KelTec P11.

 

[drgrant]

I guess if Glock came out with a 9mm stripper clip pistol you'd think differently, but whatever.

Glock makes some poor decisions but they're not this retarded and not that willing to insult their customer base.

I'm not saying I like this, I don't like 5.7 and with it being KT it's not going to be Glock Perfection, but I don't find the idea to be devoid of reason.

The idea is completely devoid of reason, but KT knows that groaning smoothbrains are a huge part of their customer base, this is a gun for Kel Tec to take their
money with. They will probably make a warehouse full of them for $10 ea and sell them off and profit bigly during the next panic (people buy everything, even if its dumb).

With a worthless currency, the notion of negative value is an oxymoron when it comes to gun purchasing.

That's cute there fedora guy, but right now, money still buys guns and is still worth something.

Buying this gun will result in a large loss the moment you walk out the door with it. Even lots of other shitty novelty guns will retain value, this ones going to be pretty
poor. The pure septic tank level shitlogic involved in this gun is immense. a case of 500 rounds of 5.7 is worth way more than the gun is.

 

[wacky_doug]

The idea is completely devoid of reason, but KT knows that groaning smoothbrains are a huge part of their customer base, this is a gun for Kel Tec to take their
money with. They will probably make a warehouse full of them for $10 ea and sell them off and profit bigly during the next panic (people buy everything, even if its dumb).

I have missed reading DrGrant.

My late father-in-law fit into this demographic. I inherited his PMR-30 (not in MA). I'm not gonna lie, it's fun to shoot. And when the front sight just f-ing fell off one day, Kel-Tec sent me a new one.

So, I'm gonna get one of these. And I'm going to show it off at my NH range. And people are going to ask to shoot it.

 

[Dennis in MA]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mQMFoPSUaY


The once future director of the ATF kind of makes the point that once you become so big you can no longer innovate and Kel Tec, being a small company, is always going to be able to. For a time, Ruger actually was innovative, I mean, who in the 1970s was asking for a modern percussion revolver or the 50s for a single action revolver? This was ancient stuff at those times, yet people flocked to it with the small company at the time called Ruger.

Even Glock was innovative when it started out, then stopped because it could coast remaking the same thing like Disney does today. Oh yeah, Disney use to be innovative and creative once too.

I'm not gonna drone on, I think I made my point. The gun industry is no longer able to innovate and instead has fallen into recycling or copycatting.

I was gonna mention this. Basically everything that's been said here. Innovative, crappy plastic, ugly as sin, sometimes prone to errors. I did have a Sub2K that ran amazingly well AND was dead-on at 100yds with just simple 115gr range ammo.

 

[LakeTrout]

I thought this was a really interesting idea when I thought it would give you a MA legal pistol with 21 round capacity. But it sounds like it’s not so I guess it’s pointless. I otherwise would have bought one for what the price probably will be.

 

[LakeTrout]

Rotataration Barrel???? But. . . . why???? So it can have some sort of AR-Bolt-Pattern shape on teh front of it?

Cause Kel-Tec. Thats why. And That’s good enough for me.

 

[jkelly1229]

I have missed reading DrGrant.

My late father-in-law fit into this demographic. I inherited his PMR-30 (not in MA). I'm not gonna lie, it's fun to shoot. And when the front sight just f-ing fell off one day, Kel-Tec sent me a new one.

So, I'm gonna get one of these. And I'm going to show it off at my NH range. And people are going to ask to shoot it.

The pmr is one of those guns that's awesome to shoot

The fireball... the trigger...its a solid gun

 

[jkelly1229]

I was gonna mention this. Basically everything that's been said here. Innovative, crappy plastic, ugly as sin, sometimes prone to errors. I did have a Sub2K that ran amazingly well AND was dead-on at 100yds with just simple 115gr range ammo.

Did you suffer face altering burns that render you completely hairless?

Because even with stubble that gun would tear the hair off my face

And I'm 37 and in 3 weeks of not shaving i can't grow a beard

I'm not a hairy guy