Lexington MA, guy discharged a round into his own face

Commercial sure as shit isn’t the answer!!!!

EMS should be part of fire, but its own thing within the fire service. Why, cause Fire medics go durrrrrrr……..
In Boston it’s the homeless taxi. They call 911 from wherever they are, get an ambulance ride to the hospital, then decline treatment and walk across the street to cop fentanyl. It’s a $2,000 taxi ride on the taxpayers dime.
 
I do not disagree with you even a little bit.

There's plenty of money, it's just not accessible to EMS. As you know, in EMS if you don't transport you don't get paid. Which killed EMS as at home care providers.
OTOH, EMS isn't well suited to that by training or inclination.

The money is there. The demand for making EMS not a nightmare is not, strangely enough.

Every year our federal government hands out hundreds of billions of dollars to countries who hate us, but were going to pretend we cant staff EMS.

Ok.
 
I do not disagree with you even a little bit.

There's plenty of money, it's just not accessible to EMS. As you know, in EMS if you don't transport you don't get paid. Which killed EMS as at home care providers.
OTOH, EMS isn't well suited to that by training or inclination.
People need to get the word out.

I used to see my department surpress the truth ALL THE TIME when asked questions about our capabilities. They'd rather lie and say its ok than deal with fixing it.

EMS is an ultra important field. But we treat it like its a step above fast food workers.
 
In Boston it’s the homeless taxi. They call 911 from wherever they are, get an ambulance ride to the hospital, then decline treatment and walk across the street to cop fentanyl. It’s a $2,000 taxi ride on the taxpayers dime.
EAch time I was in the MGH ER a couple years ago, the homeless didn't want to leave. It was cold outside, so they were hoping to be hospitalized. Hospital security had to spend an extended period of time trying to convince them to leave. Unfortunately, it seems that it would be illegal to grab them by the hair, shove them out the door, and kick them in the ass for good measure.
 
EMS in the US is totally inconsistent. Some places do a great job, some places think they do a great job, and some places don't care as long as their crews getting billing information.

In the US there are about 50 different models of EMS delivery. Fire based, volunteer based, third service, police, and even a few funeral home run services are still out there.

I get roasted on some EMS groups because when they talk about requiring degrees for EMS, I suggest that they should first teach their providers how to write a sentence in English.

"EMS" is neither a trade nor a profession. It's a skill set. Every USAF Pararescue Jump is required to be a Nationally Registered Paramedic. They get a lot of medical training on top of that but that is one of their skill sets.

An extreme example, but it helps to prove my point.

I don't know one fire fighter that identifies as a "Paramedic/Fire Fighter."

Anyway, I suspect you know most if not all of this.

People need to get the word out.

I used to see my department surpress the truth ALL THE TIME when asked questions about our capabilities. They'd rather lie and say its ok than deal with fixing it.

EMS is an ultra important field. But we treat it like its a step above fast food workers.
 
EAch time I was in the MGH ER a couple years ago, the homeless didn't want to leave. It was cold outside, so they were hoping to be hospitalized. Hospital security had to spend an extended period of time trying to convince them to leave. Unfortunately, it seems that it would be illegal to grab them by the hair, shove them out the door, and kick them in the ass for good measure.

They don’t go to shelters because they won’t let them in if they are drunk or on drugs.

The ones that are using spend the night in the T stations when it’s cold out. They have a policy to let them stay so long as they aren’t being wild.

I have a friend that is a T cop and he says that the homeless took up the majority of his shift. OD, fights robbing normies, shitting on the platform, etc.
 
EAch time I was in the MGH ER a couple years ago, the homeless didn't want to leave. It was cold outside, so they were hoping to be hospitalized. Hospital security had to spend an extended period of time trying to convince them to leave. Unfortunately, it seems that it would be illegal to grab them by the hair, shove them out the door, and kick them in the ass for good measure.
Homelessness is a problem no one wants to deal with. I did it for 8 years and it sucked.
 
in EMS if you don't transport you don't get paid.
Here, they are trying to end that by making us get a refusal every non transport so they can bill.

Which killed EMS as at home care providers.
That’s where Community Paramedicine comes in. It’s struggling to get a foot hold though. But I agree with how with the potential and how it can stop a lot of the nonsense going to the ED.

EMS is an ultra important field. But we treat it like its a step above fast food workers.

Not even, the national average is below min wage.
 
Can't bill for refusals. At least not in MA. Other states may allow it, but you can't bill Medicare or Medicaid. The county I live in here in Texas bills for refusals if the person who called is the patient and then they change their mind.

Medicare and Medicaid don't pay for Community Paramedics. CMS was paying for a short while, but terminated the program without notice mid study.

Here, they are trying to end that by making us get a refusal every non transport so they can bill.


That’s where Community Paramedicine comes in. It’s struggling to get a foot hold though. But I agree with how with the potential and how it can stop a lot of the nonsense going to the ED.



Not even, the national average is below min wage.
 
Can't bill for refusals. At least not in MA. Other states may allow it, but you can't bill Medicare or Medicaid. The county I live in here in Texas bills for refusals if the person who called is the patient and then they change their mind.

Medicare and Medicaid don't pay for Community Paramedics. CMS was paying for a short while, but terminated the program without notice mid study.

Medicare/caid doesn’t pay for shit.

The Community paramedicine, and the “refusal billing” isn’t going well here.

For the “refusal billing”, most crews aren’t complying with it as how can you bill when you haven’t provided a service. Plus I’m sure once the state catches on they will squash it real fast.
 
Must be a state thing, but that means that the people who refuse have to pay out of their own pockets.

Unless you're saying that some services have decided to bill on their own. I don't see that flying.

Medicare/caid doesn’t pay for shit.

The Community paramedicine, and the “refusal billing” isn’t going well here.

For the “refusal billing”, most crews aren’t complying with it as how can you bill when you haven’t provided a service. Plus I’m sure once the state catches on they will squash it real fast.
 
EAch time I was in the MGH ER a couple years ago, the homeless didn't want to leave. It was cold outside, so they were hoping to be hospitalized. Hospital security had to spend an extended period of time trying to convince them to leave. Unfortunately, it seems that it would be illegal to grab them by the hair, shove them out the door, and kick them in the ass for good measure.

While I concur, the bigger problem is that, historically, there has always been a transient class. People who are homeless and live that way. Hobos. Bums. Rail riders. Etc.,

What we get now is a bunch of junkies who are trying t glom off the system. I'd feel bad for htem, but it's 2025. "Gee, I didn't know that heroin or fentynal or oxy was bad for me. I wasn't thinking." That might have held sway in 1975. Not today.

Besides, IIRC, they did a study on the # of soldiers in Vietnam who were heroin users. When they rotated back home, the vast vast majority just. . . . stopped. They weren't hooked for life. I wonder if we raised an entire generation of coddled single-parented kids who were never taught to grow up and just assume someone SHOULD take care of them.

Those people? Toss em into a snowbank. You can get clean and we'll help or you get teh snowbank. There is no 3rd option!
 
While I concur, the bigger problem is that, historically, there has always been a transient class. People who are homeless and live that way. Hobos. Bums. Rail riders. Etc.,

What we get now is a bunch of junkies who are trying t glom off the system. I'd feel bad for htem, but it's 2025. "Gee, I didn't know that heroin or fentynal or oxy was bad for me. I wasn't thinking." That might have held sway in 1975. Not today.

Besides, IIRC, they did a study on the # of soldiers in Vietnam who were heroin users. When they rotated back home, the vast vast majority just. . . . stopped. They weren't hooked for life. I wonder if we raised an entire generation of coddled single-parented kids who were never taught to grow up and just assume someone SHOULD take care of them.

Those people? Toss em into a snowbank. You can get clean and we'll help or you get teh snowbank. There is no 3rd option!
I think many (most?) of them are dual diagnosis: substance abuse plus mental illness. We closed most of our mental hospitals and made it very difficult to involuntarily hospitalize the mentally ill. There was this fantasy that community shelters plus psychotropic medications would miraculously allow these people to integrate into society. Of course, NIMBYs and budget cuts ensured that such community-based shelters were never built, the psychotropic medications don’t work all that well for many (most?) patients, the medications don’t work if you don’t take them, and the medications cost money.

So here we are. There are no simple solutions for complex problems.
 
Lets not overlook the real problem in this story, which is fire departments using ambulances.

If we keep this shit up Gods going to land a giant asteroid straight ontop of us.
Curious what you mean by fire departments using ambulances as a problem

Edit: nevermind, I read the rest of your posts and understand your point now
 
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What we get now is a bunch of junkies who are trying t glom off the system. I'd feel bad for htem, but it's 2025. "Gee, I didn't know that heroin or fentynal or oxy was bad for me. I wasn't thinking." That might have held sway in 1975. Not today.
I get your point, but there are an awful lot of junkies that weren’t recreational drug users, but were hooked by what they were prescribed and ended up in the same boat. I lost one of my best friends to it, who was someone that prior to being given that prescription hadn’t even smoked a cigarette.
 
Curious what you mean by fire departments using ambulances as a problem

Edit: nevermind, I read the rest of your posts and understand your point now
Theres a ton of problems with combining structural firefighting with EMS, specifically ALS.

Sure, it saves money sometimes. But it also f***s everyone over
 
Theres a ton of problems with combining structural firefighting with EMS, specifically ALS.

Sure, it saves money sometimes. But it also f***s everyone over
Do you think it would be feasible for most full time departments to divide into Fire and EMS? Considering both the financial aspect and the current pool of professionals in and entering those fields to choose from?
 
Do you think it would be feasible for most full time departments to divide into Fire and EMS? Considering both the financial aspect and the current pool of professionals in and entering those fields to choose from?
The money exists, its just going to the wrong places.

In the meantime departments are sending firefighters with zero interest in EMS to treat people. Its a completely retarded situation. The 1st goal of any FF/medic is to get off the ambulance and stay off. There are some exceptions but its a small minority.
 
The money exists, its just going to the wrong places.

In the meantime departments are sending firefighters with zero interest in EMS to treat people. It’s a completely retarded situation. The 1st goal of any FF/medic is to get off the ambulance and stay off. There are some exceptions but it’s a small minority.
I guess what I’m wondering too though is are there that many people interested in EMS only where you could separate the two, and have a strictly EMS division even if the town had the money. I don’t hear nearly as many people going into EMS and want nothing to do with fire and rescue, as I hear people going to be firefighters that don’t want to do EMS. I’ve certainly met some, but it’s not as common. And I’m not sure logistically towns could staff two separate divisions without overlap, given the shortages in emergency response that we all currently face.
 
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