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LTC through different city?
- Thread starter Xak
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The law ALLOWS a BUSINESS OWNER (NOT employee) to get their LTC in the city/town they own the business in, HOWEVER being a "discretionary issue" I am aware that MOST (if not all) chiefs will REFUSE to issue a LTC anywhere in MA unless you live there! Their reasoning is "if YOUR chief won't trust you to carry, why should I do so and buck your chief's discretion"!
This is an active topic of conversation amongst chiefs and licensing officers on an ongoing basis. What I stated above is invariably the almost universal decision by said officers.
See, the thing is I have a Class A LTC ALP already, have since moved to an unfriendly 2nd Amendment city, and will be restricted when I renew for no reason simply because of the place I moved to (more about this in my other post). One of the cities I work in is "in the green" when it comes to issuing LTC's. The one I live in is "in the red".
Think it's worth a shot, would I still need to renew where I live reguardless? Can you have 2 LTC's?
Think it's worth a shot, would I still need to renew where I live reguardless? Can you have 2 LTC's?
Xak,
Whoever told you that was 100% wrong. NOBODY (in LE) cares if you are in a high risk job or in a high risk city.
- LTC issued WHERE YOU LIVE, or
- LTC issued IFF you own the business in another city/town. [Allowed by law, but NOT usually done in practice as MCOPA seems to frown on it and that trickles down to individual PD policy.]
No other options available to residents of MA.
Whoever told you that was 100% wrong. NOBODY (in LE) cares if you are in a high risk job or in a high risk city.
- LTC issued WHERE YOU LIVE, or
- LTC issued IFF you own the business in another city/town. [Allowed by law, but NOT usually done in practice as MCOPA seems to frown on it and that trickles down to individual PD policy.]
No other options available to residents of MA.
Did you even do this?
A holder of an FID Card or an LTC must notify, in writing, the licensing authority that issued the Card or License, the chief of police into whose jurisdiction the Card or License holder moves, and the Executive Director of the CHSB. The notice must be made by certified mail within 30 days of its occurrence.
My buddy had his LTC (ALP) issued in the town where he owns a business, not where he lives. However, his business repairs the town PD's vehicles and the PD has known his family for decades. I guess that helps.
My source of that info (Most/many) is "from the inside" and includes many discussions amongst chiefs/licensing officers of which I am aware . . . the consensus is "let the chief in the town of residence do it ONLY". There will always be some that don't play along, as well as "political influence" (fixing cruisers fits) that becomes a deciding factor in making a different decision.
Scriv, you crack me up!
Regrettably it's reality.
We "compare notes" here on NES and other forums. LEOs have their own systems of "comparing notes" too. Also, MCOPA has taken on the role (many years ago) of "advising" chiefs to do as MCOPA wishes them to do . . . preferably in lockstep. MCOPA also controls all the training for MA municipal police officers (except Boston PD and perhaps less than a handful of other large departments).
Brainwashing doesn't only happen in the school systems (including colleges)!
Regrettably it's reality.
We "compare notes" here on NES and other forums. LEOs have their own systems of "comparing notes" too. Also, MCOPA has taken on the role (many years ago) of "advising" chiefs to do as MCOPA wishes them to do . . . preferably in lockstep. MCOPA also controls all the training for MA municipal police officers (except Boston PD and perhaps less than a handful of other large departments).
Brainwashing doesn't only happen in the school systems (including colleges)!
![[wink]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/002.gif "Wink [wink]")
If a C.O.P refuses to grant a LTC because he doesn't want to step on the toes of another C.O.P, why then would he want to do it going the other way? Why would he downgrade an LTC granted by another COP? But I bet it happens.
Hypocrisy at its utmost.
Hypocrisy at its utmost.
Downgrades are done more on the sly, though. In order to downgrade it
has to be done at "renewal" time in the new town, which means that the
new license -is- being issued by the chief in the "new town". So they just
wait until they get control and then they kick you in the crotch. They can't
touch it before the lic from the old place that issued it expires, short of
calling up the original PD and whining to them, which may or may not
accomplish anything.
-Mike
If you have a class A, you're grandfathered in. You won't have a problem where you are moving (I've ben through the process there). Call the station and ask for the person who handles permits and make an appointment. Bring all the stuff you need, fill out the paperwork. You'll be OK.
The problem is, he already moved (without realizing the danger) and had
to renew under a commie city... renewals can get treated like new
licenses and thus downgraded or restricted. Once you're in that
spot, you're basically screwed unless you either get a lawyer (and even
then, there is no guarantee that they can fix the situation, given the
absurdity of the licensing scheme in MA) or move to a 2A friendly
city again. (at least to a city where the chief is a good guy and will
gladly process an early renewal to cancel out the commie's downgrade. )
-Mike
...what a mess.[sad2]
So, if my LTC gets restricted in MA, can I still carry in NH? What do I have to do, carry it in a locked box on the way to NH, then hope no one sees me loading it and putting in in a holster when I get there?
This is getting friggin' ridiculous.![[laugh2]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/014.gif "Laugh at above [laugh2]")
So, if my LTC gets restricted in MA, can I still carry in NH? What do I have to do, carry it in a locked box on the way to NH, then hope no one sees me loading it and putting in in a holster when I get there?
This is getting friggin' ridiculous.
dwarven1
Lonely Mountain Arms
Nah, I don't think you have to worry if someone sees you loading it in NH... they're more intelligent than that up there....what a mess.[sad2]
So, if my LTC gets restricted in MA, can I still carry in NH? What do I have to do, carry it in a locked box on the way to NH, then hope no one sees me loading it and putting in in a holster when I get there?
This is getting friggin' ridiculous.
Yes, it is ridiculous. Welcome to the Socialist Republik of Massachusetts.
![[rolleyes]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/042.gif "Roll Eyes [rolleyes]")
