MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor

[Broc Tuah]

The new bill specifically mentions "registered" which is a specific sub-function of the eFA-10 Transaction Portal.

Massachusetts Gun Transaction Portal

Note that when a seller (private or dealer) enters a transfer they are recording a transfer NOT registering a gun.
Registration is a separate function within the portal.
So the number of 1994->2016 ARs that are "registered" in the database is highly likely to be much less than the number of AR transfers in the database.

Massachusetts courts are going to interpret the language in a light favorable to the state - in this case I would posit that means if you didn't go in and add your ARs through the register option then you may not be grandfathered if the AG wants to push the issue

Point #3 under registration is for those guns that the State doesn't know about.

If you did an FA10 when purchasing it, the State knows.
If you did an FA10 when building it, the State knows.

Therefore all the guns that have gone through the FA10 process, either someone entering as part of a private sale, FFL sale or assembling the gun, are "registered".

 

[DW357]

GOM is aids though, but you already knew that.

Pretty much

 

[pastera]

Point #3 under registration is for those guns that the State doesn't know about.

If you did an FA10 when purchasing it, the State knows.
If you did an FA10 when building it, the State knows.

Therefore all the guns that have gone through the FA10 process, either someone entering as part of a private sale, FFL sale or assembling the gun, are "registered".

Are you willing to put your freedom on the assumption that a reporting of a transfer is legally equivalent to a registration when the option to register is openly available?
The bill specifically calls out "registered" and there is an option in the portal to do so.

 

[Bmcl322]

While crazy might also be evil don't mx the two up - these people are evil, pure and simple.

100% correct!

 

[Reptile]

All the confusion is just going to suppress gun ownership and shooting.

It will be a long time for this to work through the courts.

 

[Hogie1]

The chance of an injunction from the 1st circus is less than me getting a wife approved BJ from Scarlet Johansson.

So you're saying there's a chance!!!

 

[Grendizer138]

Are you willing to put your freedom on the assumption that a reporting of a transfer is legally equivalent to a registration when the option to register is openly available?
The bill specifically calls out "registered" and there is an option in the portal to do so.

Wait wut? At the risk of ridicule, I thought I had a pretty good working knowledge of all this nonsense and had no idea you could “register” stuff.

How these tyrants expect the average gun owner to know how to navigate all this is beyond me. Actually, I guess they don’t really care.

 

[Taipan01]

Wait wut? At the risk of ridicule, I thought I had a pretty good working knowledge of all this nonsense and had no idea you could “register” stuff.

How these tyrants expect the average gun owner to know how to navigate all this is beyond me. Actually, I guess they don’t really care.

This is a feature to them, not a flaw.

They would also like you to play a game.

 

[Mesatchornug]

Wait wut? At the risk of ridicule, I thought I had a pretty good working knowledge of all this nonsense and had no idea you could “register” stuff.

How these tyrants expect the average gun owner to know how to navigate all this is beyond me. Actually, I guess they don’t really care.

 

[not new guy]

Could we get another attorney experienced in the way of MA firearms laws and this bill in particular to start posting in here more? Pastera is bumming me out.

 

[wildwest]

I wonder what kind of drinking game the senate has made out of this thread.

Take a shot every time:
A gun owner is confused with how this bill is written
A gun owner asks a question about the AWB or 2016 nonsense
Someone asks about grandfathering
Registration is mentioned
The Mill is mentioned
Lower is mentioned
Term "pre-Healy" is used.

I'm sure there are more clever 'triggers' out there but they must be really enjoying this disaster and seeing how convoluted it all is.

Once again, not a single criminal gives a shit about any of these scenarios and situations we are all racking our brains about.

 

[Reptile]

View attachment 850838

From what that says, there is no reason who a just bought gun at a gun shop to be registered.

 

[Toast]

The chance of an injunction from the 1st circus is less than me getting a wife approved BJ from Scarlet Johansson.

I think a harder gate to get through would be to get a Scarlet Johansson approved BJ from Scarlet Johansson.

 

[Mesatchornug]

From what that says, there is no reason who a just bought gun at a gun shop to be registered.

that page is not the law. in fact, that page is not supported by the current law as written; yet it's there.

why should you assume the new, as yet unwritten, law will defer to random text on a website in a way that reinforces your rights?

 

[pastera]

Wait wut? At the risk of ridicule, I thought I had a pretty good working knowledge of all this nonsense and had no idea you could “register” stuff.

How these tyrants expect the average gun owner to know how to navigate all this is beyond me. Actually, I guess they don’t really care.

Note that there are two separate options for a transfer and registration
And the grandfather clause plainly calls out registered without defining it as a record of transfer or registration.



Read the following and look at App A1 point 3.
By reading into the word "registered" the separate meaning of recorded transfer you are outside of the rules of legislative interpretation.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-9575/102239/20190611092122150_00000055.pdf

 

[pastera]

Could we get another attorney experienced in the way of MA firearms laws and this bill in particular to start posting in here more? Pastera is bumming me out.

Another attorney?
Where's the first?

 

[pastera]

From what that says, there is no reason who a just bought gun at a gun shop to be registered.

Yet the current bill calls it out as a requirement for grandfathering

Welcome to tyranny.

 

[not new guy]

Another attorney?
Where's the first?

Ha, I assumed you were one.

 

[slipknot]

Are you willing to put your freedom on the assumption that a reporting of a transfer is legally equivalent to a registration when the option to register is openly available?
The bill specifically calls out "registered" and there is an option in the portal to do so.

Isn’t that option there for things like people moving into the state or times when you inherit a firearm? Therefore no need to fill in a seller?

 

[pastera]

Ha, I assumed you were one.

People assume a lot about me but they've never gone that low...
NES 2a lawyers exemptedof course.

 

[Grendizer138]

Isn’t that option there for things like people moving into the state or times when you inherit a firearm? Therefore no need to fill in a seller?

Or rifle or shotgun purchased from an out of state FFL for that matter.

 

[DW357]

Or registering a pistol/rifle you’ve assembled (capable of firing a shot)…if anyone has bothered with that after 2016…

 

[inerlogic]

all individuals who sell, transfer, inherit, or lose a firearm to report the sale, transfer, inheritance, or loss of the firearms to the Department of Criminal Justice Information Services Firearms Records Bureau (FRB)

if i buy it, i haven't sold it, inherited it, or lost it. as the buyer, i'm not required to register according to this. the seller was required to register it.
i saw them go to the website and do it, of course i don't have an eFA10 receipt, it was registered with the system, why do i need a receipt?

"registration" is not compulsory, we don't have firearms registration in the commonwealth, we track transfers. if i bought a receiver and never built it, there was no need for me to register it, as it would not be capable of discharging a projectile. NOW, ex post facto, they want to require registration.

they can fellate me.

 

[DJBrad]

None of this passes the legal muster. No test case but boy do you guys need a diaper change.

 

[pastera]

Isn’t that option there for things like people moving into the state or times when you inherit a firearm? Therefore no need to fill in a seller?

Chapt 140 sections 128A and 128B are clear as mud
However there is no language that REQUIRES a non-resident moving into Mass to record or register any firearm possession during the move to the state.
128B does require a resident who purchases or obtains one outside mass to report the transfer
The portal defines this as a registration but the law requires notice in writing so the registration option doesn't actually qualify as legal notice.

 

[MetroWest]

Question - does MA statute, law, or regulation require "Registration" by the buyer of a firearm purchased and delivered from the CMP? Or is the text on the Gun Transaction Portal just a suggestion?

 

[slipknot]

clear as mud by design

 

[babygorilla]

Oh my god you ain’t kidding. It’s brutal. On top of the most dumbest shit that gets posted/questioned there.

I don’t even know why I bother remaining a member.

You should check MA Guns on Reddit. I got kicked off after like 2 posts. Talk about pants shitting.

 

[pastera]

None of this passes the legal muster. No test case but boy do you guys need a diaper change.

Diaper change? How so?
I haven't told a single person to do anything except gauge their own risk tolerance and act accordingly.

As far as going over the bill's language - no pants shitting involved, I'm just reviewing the language and trying to understand how it may be enforced

 

[DJBrad]

Diaper change? How so?
I haven't told a single person to do anything except gauge their own risk tolerance and act accordingly.

As far as going over the bill's language - no pants shitting involved, I'm just reviewing the language and trying to understand how it may be enforced

Not aiming it at you. Just the collective group in this thread who are afraid.