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I agree, but They know who they are inside. Now we do too.It is a travesty that these men had to wait so long to be recognised for their courage.
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I agree, but They know who they are inside. Now we do too.It is a travesty that these men had to wait so long to be recognised for their courage.
And for the potato to put it around their necks.It is a travesty that these men had to wait so long to be recognised for their courage.
That's unfair for you to say that...And for the potato to put it around their necks.
A podcast detailing the MOH action of (then) Capt. Duffy:The recipients include Specialist 5 Dwight Birdwell, who led an armored unit through a bloody ambush in 1968; Maj. John J. Duffy, a Special Forces officer who fought off an attack on his fire base in 1972; Specialist 5 Dennis M. Fujii, who, having survived a helicopter crash, directed airstrikes on advancing forces while under fire in Laos in 1971; and Staff Sgt. Edward N. Kaneshiro, who cleared a trench of enemy fighters using grenades and a rifle in 1967 and died a few months later in another battle.
Oh for f***s sake, can they just stop rewriting history?Lawmakers seek to rescind Medals of Honor from soldiers who carried out Wounded Knee massacre
The Wounded Knee Medals of Honor would be posthumously rescindedwww.foxnews.com
Now they want to rescind MOH from soldiers who were at Wounded Knee. More political hand wringing to appease those who lost the war.
wtf you trying to do to me?Lawmakers seek to rescind Medals of Honor from soldiers who carried out Wounded Knee massacre
The Wounded Knee Medals of Honor would be posthumously rescindedwww.foxnews.com
Now they want to rescind MOH from soldiers who were at Wounded Knee. More political hand wringing to appease those who lost the war.
Damn I missed this,4 New fellas added to the CMH Rolls today. God bless them all and a heartfelt Thank you.
The recipients include Specialist 5 Dwight Birdwell, who led an armored unit through a bloody ambush in 1968; Maj. John J. Duffy, a Special Forces officer who fought off an attack on his fire base in 1972; Specialist 5 Dennis M. Fujii, who, having survived a helicopter crash, directed airstrikes on advancing forces while under fire in Laos in 1971; and Staff Sgt. Edward N. Kaneshiro, who cleared a trench of enemy fighters using grenades and a rifle in 1967 and died a few months later in another battle.
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Spec 5 Dwight Birdwell
If you ever took the time to read some of the MOH citation from Wounded Knee, you would probably agree that they were not deserved.Lawmakers seek to rescind Medals of Honor from soldiers who carried out Wounded Knee massacre
The Wounded Knee Medals of Honor would be posthumously rescindedwww.foxnews.com
Now they want to rescind MOH from soldiers who were at Wounded Knee. More political hand wringing to appease those who lost the war.
A snapshot of time and circumstance. This is before motor vehicles; pack mules were worth their weight in gold. Saving one from death/the enemy could be life saving for the soldiers giving the right circumstance. What was the mule carrying. Add hostilities and it is possible.If you ever took the time to read some of the MOH citation from Wounded Knee, you would probably agree that they were not deserved.
"Conspicuous bravery in bringing back to the picket line a run away pack mule"
A snapshot of time and circumstance. This is before motor vehicles; pack mules were worth their weight in gold. Saving one from death/the enemy could be life saving for the soldiers giving the right circumstance. What was the mule carrying. Add hostilities and it is possible.
I wouldn't judge unless I knew a shitload more. Also, these acts of bravery are not to be judge against each other. Not a rant.
Revisionist revoking of awards is a slippery slope and I am sure some would love to push the military down that slope. You're not wrong.Yeah, I get that, but even so: it's not MOH-worthy. A LOT of the MOHes before WWI would never come close to the MOH subsequently. It's not because mules were important: it's because, at that time, the MOH was almost literally the only valor award available to give.
I'd support rescinding those IF there had been a secondary award available then. Since there usually wasn't, I think it's wrong to second-guess the recipients. I think we're all better off if we just agree to accept the elephant in the room: we should admit, publicly, that the MOH has not always meant what it means today. They changed the eligibility when they passed sec. 8291 in 1918.
Contrast that to the Victoria Cross, which has been nearly impossible to earn since the day it was created, and whose standards have never really changed. That's why there have only been 1,356 VC awards since 1857. In slightly less time, there've been 3,515 MOH recipients. And it's not because the British had less opportunity: they fought more or less continuously in their colonies up until the late 1950s.
Revisionist revoking of awards is a slippery slope and I am sure some would love to push the military down that slope. You're not wrong.
You are confusing me. Are you saying they should be revoked?Look up the Korean Expedition of 1871. I'd never heard of it until today. The US sent 650 men to handle a diplomatic crisis with the Koreans. We lost a total of three killed and ten wounded, and we ended up losing. Our involvement lasted about 33 days.
Not exactly a massive conflict with lots and lots of danger.
And yet they gave out FIFTEEN medals of honor for that. For feats such as taking soundings while under fire (which sailors have been doing ever since gunpowder), being "severely wounded in the arm," taking an enemy's weapon out of his hands, taking over a company after the CO was wounded, and "setting an example of gallant and meritorious conduct."
Nope. Nope nope nope. Most of those would not even be Silver Star-worthy in any subsequent war.
They did award one for capturing the enemy's flag, which was for many years a very very brave thing to do. But in this case, after climbing a wall and bayoneting a few Korean conscripts, all Corporal Hugh Purvis had to do was lower a halyard. A couple of his buddies got it too, for helping him...
You are confusing me. Are you saying they should be revoked?
Take the citations as they are written to be the .mils way of putting their written prose forward in recognizing the valiant act. Basically, it is the equivalent of AP/Reuters of the military telling you what happened. Again, at that time in those circumstances.
On this date* in 1968, John Kedenburg (CCN MACV SOG) earned the Medal of Honor (posthumously).
John James Kedenburg | Vietnam War | U.S. Army | Medal of Honor Recipient
U.S. Army Specialist Fifth Class John James Kedenburg was posthumously presented the Medal of Honor for military valor during the Vietnam War.www.cmohs.org
*There seems to a disparity on the interweb about his date of death.
From what I was able to gather, his MOH action occurred on the 13th, but his body was not recovered until the 14th, so that might explain it?
Before I began student teaching, I had an interview with the school principal.
Behind his desk was a framed impression of John Kedenburg's name from The Wall.
I asked him what the significance of the name was.
He told me that they were friends in Special Forces.
I mentioned that I recognized the name as a Medal of Honor recipient.
My interview (and the time at the school) went very well after that.
From one of the SOG books I read, I believe he was still alive and fighting when he was last seen on the 13th.*There seems to a disparity on the interweb about his date of death.
From what I was able to gather, his MOH action occurred on the 13th, but his body was not recovered until the 14th, so that might explain it?
From one of the SOG books I read, I believe he was still alive and fighting when he was last seen on the 13th.
Those SOG guys were giants.
Im suprised that Citation location isnt "West of Insert name of A Camp Vietnam", because I beleive he was in Laos.
“There was an open area at the base of the finger that we had to skirt by remaining inside the tree line. Shortly after clearing this area we started to ascend the hill and after 20 or 30 meters the Point Man halted the Patrol and passed back to me half of a BAR (Browning Automatic Rifle) belt, with a canteen attached and all pockets full of M-16, 20 round magazines.”
“I knew this belonged to John since I had got the belt for him and helped him set it up and attached/adjusted it to his load-bearing equipment. We continued on up the hill and approximately 20 meters further up the hill we found John, he had apparently given himself two morphine syrette injections. One of the syrettes was pinned to his fatigue jacket and the other was on the ground beside him.”
“He had been KIA apparently from a major caliber weapon of some kind because his rucksack had been torn from his body, his BAR belt blown apart and his CAR-15 was a mangled mess of metal. None of this material was found by John’s body but several meters away further up the hill. John was seated in an upright position with his back to a log and had from all appearances attempted to put a tourniquet on his left thigh although there was no signs of a wound to his left leg. He has also attempted to burn his SOI (Signal Operating Instructions) and his CAC Code that was used to encrypt and decrypt messages.”
What a great postscript about his mother.Today is the 81st anniversary of USCG Signalman 1st Class Munro's MOH (posthumous) action during the Guadalcanal Campaign.
Not a lot of people know that on that day, Munro saved Chesty Puller (and a good portion of 1st Bn. 7th Marines) during operations near the Matanikau River.
Semper Fidelis (Paratus)!