Hiltonizer
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Nothing good can come from me jumping back into this thread and perpetuating the conversation... but here I am, I can't let this go:
Let me preface this by saying, this isn't directed at you Nicole... I understand you are arguing both a scientific and capitalist point.
The perpetuation of GMO's is the result of a failure of government, regardless of whether you are are for big government or small government. Small government would presumably have functional courts and not be hamstrung by its deleterious big government analogue. Big government should in theory protect by regulatory means both in court and in safety.
Should GMO's have been prevented from entering the market? Probably not. I can't say for certain as I'm not sure what was known about them at the time. However, an unavoidable reality of science is unintended consequences. For these very reasons big government types laud the FDA, and small government types want to limit regulation so that the market can decide.
What is in place now, is a protection racket. The market can't decide as grievances cannot be settled fairly in court. Property rights have been eviscerated.
While GMO's sounded like a good idea and a wise business decision at one point, over time we know that it infringes on property rights via environmental implications. Most farmers have to buy it now. The people whom the technology has hurt can't sue so they have to do business this way, and their competitors can't compete and have to use this same technology. An organic non-gmo farm of an open pollinated crop can no longer exist near a GMO crop.
Let's pretend you have a herd of cattle... those cattle get loose and stampede your neighbors property. You will be sued and pay for the damage. Monsanto et al, and their customers are protected from such action by this government. This skews the entire market and therefore makes the only reason this product is still viable. GMO's would disappear real fast if they were by regulation forced to be raised only in structures to contain their pollen, and the producers who chose not to held financially liable. They would also be dealt a death blow (and largely have in many other countries), by government labeling laws silencing their competitors from advertising "Non-GMO"
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TL;DR: The government won't sort it out, and won't let the free market sort it out.
if the GMO crops suck so hard, why do people keep buying them?
Let me preface this by saying, this isn't directed at you Nicole... I understand you are arguing both a scientific and capitalist point.
The perpetuation of GMO's is the result of a failure of government, regardless of whether you are are for big government or small government. Small government would presumably have functional courts and not be hamstrung by its deleterious big government analogue. Big government should in theory protect by regulatory means both in court and in safety.
Should GMO's have been prevented from entering the market? Probably not. I can't say for certain as I'm not sure what was known about them at the time. However, an unavoidable reality of science is unintended consequences. For these very reasons big government types laud the FDA, and small government types want to limit regulation so that the market can decide.
What is in place now, is a protection racket. The market can't decide as grievances cannot be settled fairly in court. Property rights have been eviscerated.
While GMO's sounded like a good idea and a wise business decision at one point, over time we know that it infringes on property rights via environmental implications. Most farmers have to buy it now. The people whom the technology has hurt can't sue so they have to do business this way, and their competitors can't compete and have to use this same technology. An organic non-gmo farm of an open pollinated crop can no longer exist near a GMO crop.
Let's pretend you have a herd of cattle... those cattle get loose and stampede your neighbors property. You will be sued and pay for the damage. Monsanto et al, and their customers are protected from such action by this government. This skews the entire market and therefore makes the only reason this product is still viable. GMO's would disappear real fast if they were by regulation forced to be raised only in structures to contain their pollen, and the producers who chose not to held financially liable. They would also be dealt a death blow (and largely have in many other countries), by government labeling laws silencing their competitors from advertising "Non-GMO"
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TL;DR: The government won't sort it out, and won't let the free market sort it out.
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