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He wants to convert the originals to semi.LOL does this count as a 'modification to a lower'? AFT probably thinks so.
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Is he talking about from a 80%?
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He wants to convert the originals to semi.LOL does this count as a 'modification to a lower'? AFT probably thinks so.
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Is he talking about from a 80%?
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1911s are everywhere, yet people line up to get them from CMPThere really is no market for a neutered M16. Those are really available commercially.
1911s are everywhere, yet people line up to get them from CMP
I have to gander it would be cheaper for CMP to either just out source lower production or even just tool up to make there own than to dick around with conversions of surplus lowersSure welding and machining, but trying to think of a more production way of doing it.
Could they machine, or stamp out the pivot hole to a larger rectangle and then a press fit plug. Exact location would be less important than size, so a punch could be used instead of milling.
That would prevent someone just drilling a hole as the plug would fail. Don't need to make conversion impossible, just cross the line away from redily convertable. And change out the fire control.
At that point it wouldn't be any easier to make full auto than any other AR platform.
Of course non of this matters with a change by congress
When the DCM turned the reins over to the cmp many rifles on loan where returned.Sure, we could get technical on the history of the design, but is that what we are taking about here?
Once a machine gun always a machine gun, if the CMP wanted to pedal surplus M16’s….if the law allowed, Colts approach in the 80’s and 90’s could be used, Drill an over sized hole through one side of the auto sear pin hole and blind pin a steel block in. The reality of it is it will never happen though.
I shot a CMP match in MA with a club borrowed M14 that had the selector welded and some parts removed. Rifles on loan from CMP as I recall….. around 2000- 2001 time frame.
Be it best or not they are US surplus 1911s which are everywhere but generally not at prices CMP is selling them forLots of folks on nes (including me) said who the hell would want a beat to snot colt gvt 1911........I still don't want one of those beat to shit pistols.......but there sure is a wait list to get one from cmp.
The real question is when are they actually gonna offer them. The common theme with the CMP# hurry up and wait. I first heard about the new production cmp Gorandaback in 2023. I was poking around the rulebook for something. I don’t know what I was looking for target size or something and this was on their website on the changes for 2024 rules. And they had a change in the rules that yes the new production CMP# grand would be acceptable in the as issued matches shortly after they removed that statement my guess is they weren’t gonna have them ready. It’ll be nice if they’re priced right.Straight from the CMP FB Page . . .
I think theres more receivers than rifles and they are sitting on a bot load of parts. Hrnce their as issued custom shop offerings now.Must getting to the bottom of the barrel for the milsurp M1's. I'm all set for M1's but it will be interesting to check them out.
Yeah, this was several years after that change, I’m sure someone around here knows, it was at Reading Rifle and Revolver clubWhen the DCM turned the reins over to the cmp many rifles on loan where returned.
Especially the M14s
I know very little about auto ordinance do they produce 1911s for other name brands.I’m surprised they partners with Tisas for their repro 1911 and not Auto-Ordnace. AO makes a nice 1911, in Worcester! Meanwhile Tisas is Turkish
I understand why other people want them. Personally as a veteran I don't get it.......I loved the 1911 when I was issued one.......but damn......they were in tough shape when we changed to the m9. So the premium price for a 1911 that spent decades in being tossed around an arms room doesn't do anything for me at all.Be it best or not they are US surplus 1911s which are everywhere but generally not at prices CMP is selling them for
A “service grade” is $1250
The wait is because the “US Army” is doling out the 1911 in batches over. Few years— at least thats what I remember ?
I dont see to many US marked 1911s in the wild for $1250 or less.
People want them because they are US military surplus not just a 1911
It would be drill a hole in the lower, The same way colt did it back in the day, granted the lower had less machine work done internally, but a hardened steel block and blind pin is what is being talked about here to fill the void,The colt version prevented a full auto carrier being installed as well, As time went on manufacturers got more comfortable adding the auto features to the upper and lowers…..I believe ATF only requires no auto sear pin hole an a shelf to prevent sear to fit, all another auto parts can be used
Yeah, I have seen those lowers advertised in recent years. I would think they have an ATF letter saying it’s good to go, I have never seen it though.A shelf is not legally required. There's several vendors that make lowers with a full cut down there.
Maybe, but if the CMP operates the same as the DCM did then part of their deal is getting surplus rifles into civilian hands, not making or selling their own. And it wouldn't be Mil surplus, which is a buying point for many CMP customers.I have to gander it would be cheaper for CMP to either just out source lower production or even just tool up to make there own than to dick around with conversions of surplus lowers
And I believe that is the rub. DMC was the United States military dealing directly to civilians I think versus the CMP#, which is a congressional charter. I know the 1911s were issue. They had to work on as far as the charter goes and I believe they had to get some sort of amendment to make it work. I think that’s why they’re only shipping so many 1911’s every year or so. Either that or the army just too lazy to categorize and label and record all the serial numbersMaybe, but if the CMP operates the same as the DCM did then part of their deal is getting surplus rifles into civilian hands, not making or selling their own. And it wouldn't be Mil surplus, which is a buying point for many CMP customers.
I doubt it would be more expensive. Getting the legal OK could be tricky depending on the makeup of congress at the time.
I have only seen and shot 1 service grade 1911 from cmp from the first batch .I understand why other people want them. Personally as a veteran I don't get it.......I loved the 1911 when I was issued one.......but damn......they were in tough shape when we changed to the m9. So the premium price for a 1911 that spent decades in being tossed around an arms room doesn't do anything for me at all.
The CMP sold those rifles to associated clubs at good price to replace the M14's that were out there. The 14's were called back and supposedly being redeployed to the Army during our recent exploits in Mesopotamia and Afghanistan.Which I think they did already
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I was not sure of why the existed other than I have seen 2 in 20 years. iirc bushmaster turned them outThe CMP sold those rifles to associated clubs at good price to replace the M14's that were out there. The 14's were called back and supposedly being redeployed to the Army during our recent exploits in Mesopotamia and Afghanistan.
I don't know if they ever made it into Govt hands again, but there is a pile of M14's in CMP inventory at this time.
I think the CMP sold them to the general public also. They just gave the clubs a really good deal on them to replace the M14's.They where in private hands
Was a company doing that for a whileWelding milsurp M14 heels onto M1A receivers for the roll mark is a thing. People would go apeshit over a legit M14 receiver if it could be made legal.
I think James River Armory was doing it for a bit?Was a company doing that for a while
All you need to do is part with some $$$$TRW / Charles Erb M14 EBR 7.62mm Transferable Machine GunThere's not much I WOULDNT do to own a TRW.
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Or a Winchester
Same would go for surplus M16s.Be it best or not they are US surplus 1911s which are everywhere but generally not at prices CMP is selling them for
A “service grade” is $1250
The wait is because the “US Army” is doling out the 1911 in batches over. Few years— at least thats what I remember ?
I dont see to many US marked 1911s in the wild for $1250 or less.
People want them because they are US military surplus not just a 1911