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Nutrition question
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Is 350 a typo? If not, I'd just take a wild guess and go with 4,000+
I'm around 140, decent shape, and It wouldn't matter how much I ate, no way I could haul 70+ lbs for 20 miles a day for more than maybe a couple days at best. I've done some ~week long hikes with a ~40lb pack, and was not a happy camper at all.
I'm around 140, decent shape, and It wouldn't matter how much I ate, no way I could haul 70+ lbs for 20 miles a day for more than maybe a couple days at best. I've done some ~week long hikes with a ~40lb pack, and was not a happy camper at all.
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fencer
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That is a pretty lofty goal. Do you frequently hump that kind of distance, carrying that kind of weight?
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Other than a respirator, kidney dialysis machine, and a Lark stolen from the local Stop & Shop, absolutely nothing.
fencer
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You might be surprised what a determined individual, who has been properly trained and motivated, is capable of pushing themselves to accomplish.
Don't be a dick.
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Like you, having lived long enough to experience much, not surprised by much. Nothing more than levity, stealing a page out of Frenchman's playbook.
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Like anyone takes you seriously?
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fencer
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And truth be told, your post was funny.
Frenchman, I don't doubt that you could push yourself to collapse or death, but seriously, buy a dirtbike and 38lbs of Snickers bars.
Not anymore. I'm thinking a 2 mile per hour average, two half hour and one one hour break, plus orientation stops. 2 days (40-45miles) maximum, to get where I need to go. I know I'm heavy, but I'm also tragically funny and good looking. I used to be able to do 45 miles per dau with 25 kilos ruck, FRF2 bolt action, backup FAMAS, 120 rds of .308 and 250 rounds of 5.56, plus water. At some point, your head stops marching and your feet just keep going.
fencer
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Yeah, back in the day, I could just keep going and going and like you said, after a while, your mind is somewhere else and your feet just keep on going.
I wear xx shirts now too, but until I was about 32 years old I could easily walk on my hands the length of a football field. Now, I avoid putting my ass above my head at all costs.
Seriously, If it was just me, and I wanted to move that distance under shtf conditions, I would consider a dirt bike, 4 wd atv, or a decent mountain bike. The bicycle makes a lot of sense because if you really had to go on foot, you could throw it on your shoulder.
I have 3 kids and a pretty wife that bitched about to much walkin at Disney World. If we can't get there in my 4wd pick up, we are staying put and will spend those two days digging in etc.
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Not trying to be a dick about it, Best estimate: Not going to happen no matter what caloric intake is.
Uh , if he comes up short on day 2 , like say 30 miles instead of the 40 , so what ? Walk another day.
And a 3 day march without enough calories isn't the same thing as a winter without enough calories.
And a 3 day march without enough calories isn't the same thing as a winter without enough calories.
MSant
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Is it going to mess you up not hiking in metric?
Last year I was reasonably in shape and about 235 lbs. I hiked 100 miles in 7.5 days with a 35 lb pack. It was certainly doable but the exhaustion was severe. My feet gave out long before my legs.
Nutrition isn't that big of a deal for three days. You could eat next to nothing if you had to and be fine at your weight.
A very good rule of thumb is 1.4lbs food per person per day for up to two weeks, 1.6 for three, and it goes up to 2.2 lbs at around five weeks out.
Appalachian Trail hikers burn 5-6000 calories / day and still have trouble keeping up weight.
You need carbs to keep going, and protein at night to rebuild.
Nutrition isn't that big of a deal for three days. You could eat next to nothing if you had to and be fine at your weight.
A very good rule of thumb is 1.4lbs food per person per day for up to two weeks, 1.6 for three, and it goes up to 2.2 lbs at around five weeks out.
Appalachian Trail hikers burn 5-6000 calories / day and still have trouble keeping up weight.
You need carbs to keep going, and protein at night to rebuild.
Your walking speed is about dead on, I've tracked people through the desert for years. Day 1, you can maintain a good pace, but day 2 will suck. Day 3 you will be close enough that will power will help you gut it out.
I normally caught people on day 2, into the 2nd or 3rd break of the day is when I'd normally jump a group. Normally 20-30 miles in was the sweet spot, once they got close to the pickup spot, the pace would increase.
While the desert is different than up here, they are way more accustomed to walking, so I'd consider it a compressed schedule for what people up here would have to endure (less heat, more trees and rivers, etc)
edit: throw in having to avoid roving hooligans, plan for at least an additional day for your planning. God forbid you twist an ankle with upwards of 450lbs on your legs.
My plan for bugging out deals more with clean water than anything else, food you can acquire in the short term. You won't be dealing with fat deprivation in just 3-4 days.
I normally caught people on day 2, into the 2nd or 3rd break of the day is when I'd normally jump a group. Normally 20-30 miles in was the sweet spot, once they got close to the pickup spot, the pace would increase.
While the desert is different than up here, they are way more accustomed to walking, so I'd consider it a compressed schedule for what people up here would have to endure (less heat, more trees and rivers, etc)
edit: throw in having to avoid roving hooligans, plan for at least an additional day for your planning. God forbid you twist an ankle with upwards of 450lbs on your legs.
My plan for bugging out deals more with clean water than anything else, food you can acquire in the short term. You won't be dealing with fat deprivation in just 3-4 days.
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Most of the will to prevail is mental. I know Frenchman personally, and I also know he is the real deal and has been there and done that. Age and physical condition will put limitations on things, no doubts about that, but attitude and the triumph of the will is first and foremost over any other consideration.
If he has the will to prevail why does he weigh 350 lbs? Or are you saying that in a crisis he can persevere?
Lately I've not had the will nor have I had the ability due to an injury and am -80 lbs overweight.
Lately I've not had the will nor have I had the ability due to an injury and am -80 lbs overweight.
Fitness vs fatness is a cultural thing and is an entirely different topic. Some researchers will even go so far as to say that a tendency towards obesity itself is a survival mechanism that our successful ancient ancestors had to get them thru periods of game scarcity and later famine.
I am talking about perseverance in a crisis. Why sometimes do the most unlikely prevail? It comes down to attitude. If you have the will, frequently you will find a way. If you do not succeed then you will die trying. There are at least two schools of thought on that one: some say dead is dead and it doesn't matter how you die, others will say how you die is everything. I think many would die trying and would find that preferable to giving up no matter how great the odds against it.
I do believe that there are some exceptions: capture by an enemy who will torture before they kill you; sacrificing your life to save others; being diagnosed with a debilitating disease for which there is no cure; being diagnosed with dementia/altzheimers from which no recovery is possible. I believe you choose to live life on your terms and I don't find it contradictory that someone wants to prevail after an event where they would have to bug out.
It's your choice and your decision and your will and your business and nobody else's. I wouldn't question somebody else's reasons based on your personal situation, nor would I judge you.
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I was stuck at the bottom of my driveway after I lost traction and slid into a snowbank at my place in NH - with 32 cases of tile in my truck, and it was 7 degrees out with a stiff wind.
I needed to unload the 50+ pound cases of tile and I walked up and down the 800 feet from where I was stuck to the house, 1600 feet each round trip. It was so fricken cold the sweat on my head froze. I figure I went almost 9 miles that day humping that tile up the driveway then walking down, no backpack. I am in my late 40's, not in peak shape, and overweight. It is ALL about attitude and perseverance. My back was toast, I had blisters and was just about crippled, but I could have done more if I had to.
In that 75 pound pack, make sure you have ibuprofen and tylenol, and even some Aleve (naproxen) as well as socks to change and gold bond powder. Alternate the advil and tylenol every 3 hours. It will help with the inevitable inflammation that is going to happen from that kind of exertion.
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GPP
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Bingo. It's got way more to do with mental toughness than being in shape. Obviously, being in shape is a great asset, but I've watched guys with 5% body fat that could do all kinds of physical superman shit cower in a firefight. Full on fetal position cower.
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Dude. Next time , stack the goddamn tile next to the truck. It's okay if it gets cold.
whatluck
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350 lbs is more than twice what I weigh but I can tell you I can hack 90 miles in the mountains in 3 days with a 35 lb pack but about half that weight is food. I need about 7k cal a day to make it happen or ill muscle waste. Id hate to carry 60 plus pounds id probably only be able to travel at half that pace or maybe Id die of a heart attack.
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Round boy here.
Go put on the ruck, go to your local football field with a 1/4 mile track, and start walking.*
After you have walked as far as you can, or want to, or whatever you decide on as a metric, decide if it's doable.
Under stress (if TSHTF there will be stress....) you will burn more energy, and have less strength. Under battle conditions, people can lose physical strength, due to psychological stress.
Unless you've tried it, it's all theory.
Let us know if when you're done.
*Better put a sign on the ruck that says, "Walking for the midwest haddock" or something, so people don't think that you're a weirdo.
Go put on the ruck, go to your local football field with a 1/4 mile track, and start walking.*
After you have walked as far as you can, or want to, or whatever you decide on as a metric, decide if it's doable.
Under stress (if TSHTF there will be stress....) you will burn more energy, and have less strength. Under battle conditions, people can lose physical strength, due to psychological stress.
Unless you've tried it, it's all theory.
Let us know if when you're done.
*Better put a sign on the ruck that says, "Walking for the midwest haddock" or something, so people don't think that you're a weirdo.
