Over under on Maura playing the EO (emergency order) card

Will Martha sign an EO on the upcoming gun laws

  • We’ve called her bluff she won’t sign an EO

    Votes: 31 39.2%

  • She’s gonna double down and sign an EO

    Votes: 48 60.8%
  • Total voters
    79
btnh6668 said:
Forgive my ignorance but I am still confused as to what the goal is by putting this question on the ballot. Assuming we all know most won't vote in favor, I'm guessing there is another objective I don't know.
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The objective is to delay long enough for SCOTUS to rule on other cases, making most of this law unconstitutional, By the time is comes up for a vote in a couple years I won’t matter anyway
 
AMV said:
The objective is to delay long enough for SCOTUS to rule on other cases, making most of this law unconstitutional, By the time is comes up for a vote in a couple years I won’t matter anyway
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Again, sorry for my ignorance. Are you saying the petition would delay the bill from being enforced until it was voted on?
 
AMV said:
The objective is to delay long enough for SCOTUS to rule on other cases, making most of this law unconstitutional, By the time is comes up for a vote in a couple years I won’t matter anyway
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Unfortunately SCOTUS will never rule on most of this law.

We might get relief for the assault style firearm section and maybe the standard capacity magazine ban. There might also be some relief long down the line for approved firearm rosters.

But the red flag expansion, more arduous safety course, limits on juvenile use, homemade firearm restrictions, 3D printer/CNC use, and more and more will not see relief from SCOTUS anytime in the next few decades. Likely. Maybe red flag laws sooner.

We MAY get state or circuit relief on some of the smaller parts of the law. But this is a huge law with many tentacles in various sections of MGL. It will be hard to dismantle even most of it.
 
Maura just needs the fine money for all of the "violations" of the new law to fund her pet projects, like illegal alien housing. When some poor slob can't prove they have a pre-94 magazine, jail time will be threatened and fines will be imposed. After the defendant gets time served with a felony rap and pays the fines, Maura gets her money. What a scam.
 
Happy feet said:
2A rights in Ma are sinking like the titanic do we keep on playing till the end … if so take take the poll…or do we just give it up and sink into misery if so don’t take the poll
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Please change your damn title. You’re creating a group of ignorant people thinking this is the correct terminology.
 
PappyM3 said:
Unfortunately SCOTUS will never rule on most of this law.

We might get relief for the assault style firearm section and maybe the standard capacity magazine ban. There might also be some relief long down the line for approved firearm rosters.

But the red flag expansion, more arduous safety course, limits on juvenile use, homemade firearm restrictions, 3D printer/CNC use, and more and more will not see relief from SCOTUS anytime in the next few decades. Likely. Maybe red flag laws sooner.

We MAY get state or circuit relief on some of the smaller parts of the law. But this is a huge law with many tentacles in various sections of MGL. It will be hard to dismantle even most of it.
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I agree, But in my view most of the law you can choose what you want to follow, you have no choice if ASF are unavailable to buy, you can Still obtain std cap mags with some effort, 3d print, run a CNC, people can still get permits but with a lot more hoops to jump through. So the biggest chunk of it would be striking down the mag ban, ASF and the roster. While the rest of it works its way through the courts you get to decide whether you want to serialize that 80% lower or press print on that receiver. Red flag laws are real concern as is much of the rest but that will all take time
 
Will be great to get another quote from the legislature if she does, seeing as they said it’s fine because there’s plenty of time until 10/23 for EOPSS, DAs, etc to have guidance. They aren’t going to be happy if their clock runs to zero by the stroke of a pen.
 
HARRYM said:
Also waiting until the chaos of the November election will assist in providing cover.
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"Cover?" With whom?

She doesn't need cover with the general public. She'd need cover with the courts, and they wouldn't care about the November election.

not new guy said:
She’s waiting to see if she needs to bother. Hitting the signature requirement isn’t a sure thing.
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This.
 
MAJoe said:
Will be great to get another quote from the legislature if she does, seeing as they said it’s fine because there’s plenty of time until 10/23 for EOPSS, DAs, etc to have guidance. They aren’t going to be happy if their clock runs to zero by the stroke of a pen.
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I would not be surprised if she declares an EP on 10/23.

The signatures are due by 10/1. Then they have to be counted. That’s going to take a couple weeks, at least.
 
PappyM3 said:
I would not be surprised if she declares an EP on 10/23.

The signatures are due by 10/1. Then they have to be counted. That’s going to take a couple weeks, at least.
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That would be the lowest risk and most logical scenario for the state. It’s not effective any sooner and it’s also not delayed.
 
PappyM3 said:
Please change your damn title. You’re creating a group of ignorant people thinking this is the correct terminology.
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Hmm a group of dimly lit lightbulbs…sounds fun to me…together we could become a spotlight …. Reallistcly if people are thinking that a person named after a penguin (happy feet) who’s running an over under poll on the internet with poor spelling is the go to guy for legislative interpitation …I have a bridge for sale it’s a little pricy cause it was made in London, but it’s a pre ban
 
Happy feet said:
Hmm a group of dimly lit lightbulbs…sounds fun to me…together we could become a spotlight …. Reallistcly if people are thinking that a person named after a penguin (happy feet) who’s running an over under poll on the internet with poor spelling is the go to guy for legislative interpitation …I have a bridge for sale it’s a little pricy cause it was made in London, but it’s a pre ban
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Well, people are people, and not everyone is as discerning about information put out on the internet. You seem to understand that, so, why not be the best person you can be, if it’s in your power?
 
There is no EO. She was making noises about signing an emergency preamble to the law, which would put it into effect immediately. There are a number of legal, optical, and political reasons why it would be a bad idea for her to do so, which might be why she's just making noises instead of just doing it. She's posturing, as always.
 
She just doesn’t want to do it if she doesn’t have to. No sense in her moving earlier than she has to. I bet she signs it as soon as she has reason to believe that our side is on pace to hit the required number of signatures.
 
Picton said:
...you think any MA politician is concerned about being voted out because of their position on this gun bill? You really think that's a worry for them?
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No democrats, but I am sure there are some MA republicans that are concerned.

John Velis is the only democrat I would vote for. He told me that he was opposed to the bill and that he thought it had no chance of passing. Then he caved and voted for it.

Too bad, because he seemed like a good guy. He always shows up to the veteran remembrances around here and is very approachable.
 
Coda said:
No democrats, but I am sure there are some MA republicans that are concerned.

John Velis is the only democrat I would vote for. He told me that he was opposed to the bill and that he thought it had no chance of passing. Then he caved and voted for it.

Too bad, because he seemed like a good guy. He always shows up to the veteran remembrances around here and is very approachable.
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He is just another shill.

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Coda said:
No democrats, but I am sure there are some MA republicans that are concerned.

John Velis is the only democrat I would vote for. He told me that he was opposed to the bill and that he thought it had no chance of passing. Then he caved and voted for it.

Too bad, because he seemed like a good guy. He always shows up to the veteran remembrances around here and is very approachable.
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A politician lied and told you exactly what he thought you wanted to hear. And he proved it was a lie by voting for it. And you’re still saying you’d vote for him? Jesus.
 
not new guy said:
A politician lied and told you exactly what he thought you wanted to hear. And he proved it was a lie by voting for it. And you’re still saying you’d vote for him? Jesus.
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Would.......... As in past tense.

He told a lot of people the same thing. John had a reputation around here as a solid guy and he ruined it by voting for the bill.

Understand now???
 

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