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Let's say someone is looking at a West German P220(good cond) at $500 or a new HK45(non-LE) at $800. Let's also say that person just can't decide.

Which would you choose given your intended purpose for them? Inevitably buy both or neither will come up, but for all intents and purpose you landed on those two options.
 
Havent shot the sig, but i have the HK45T and it shoots like a dream. Ergos are great as it has the different side panels and back straps to get a good fit to your hand. Never had any malfunction with it.
 
HK45 is a wonderful platform. Hard to beat the engineering quality not to mention it's one of the softest shooting .45's I've ever been exposed to.
W. German P220 you'd probably never see again.
That is a tough decision.
For purely protection/carry I'd go HK. The Picatinny rail gives you the option of a weapons light for home/night defense and I think the HK is overall better built .
Brian
 
I have an earlier P220 and love it. I always admired the HK but they were out of my $$ reach when I was younger then there was a time when you couldn't get them here in MA IIRC. I don't have a need for a rail.

I stumbled on a mint very early 220 at an attractive price a little while back and called my buddy who was on the fence. I told him that if he didn't buy it I was going to. He bought it.
 
Yeah, it is tough.. I was thinking the Sig value for the dollar is better. At 800 though NIB, I haven't seen HK45's much better than that price point. If they were at the same price, the HK45 does most things better and would win out IMO.

Next Level said:
HK45 is a wonderful platform. Hard to beat the engineering quality not to mention it's one of the softest shooting .45's I've ever been exposed to.
W. German P220 you'd probably never see again.
That is a tough decision.
For purely protection/carry I'd go HK. The Picatinny rail gives you the option of a weapons light for home/night defense and I think the HK is overall better built .
Brian
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Yeah, I have a W.German P226 that I love. I didn't leave it original(ex. changed out grips to G10) but still... It was a great deal, so I grabbed it(and made the year I was born for bonus points - 87 date code). Shoots fantastic for me. I was thinking grab another old Sig, in nice shape for decent price since I love my 226.. But then, it crossed my mind maybe get something different since I already have something similar and have no HK's.

Asaltweapon said:
I have an earlier P220 and love it. I always admired the HK but they were out of my $$ reach when I was younger then there was a time when you couldn't get them here in MA IIRC. I don't have a need for a rail.

I stumbled on a mint very early 220 at an attractive price a little while back and called my buddy who was on the fence. I told him that if he didn't buy it I was going to. He bought it.
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i have a P220. I had an HK45. Sold the HK45. If I had to pick a gun to shoot between them it would be the P220. But, luckily, there are far better guns out there for less money. I wasn't kidding above. For the same price if I had to choose a .45 between the H&K, the Sig, or an M&P, I would take the M&P45. That the M&P is cheaper than the Sig or the HK is just a bonus.
 
I have all three mentioned in this thread and I like them all.....but I find I shoot the M&P45 the most. However the HK45 is very new to me and I don't have a lot of range time with it to make a fair judgement. I have both a newer 220 and a W. German one and if I had to get rid of one it would be the newer one mainly because I don't like the rail, and to me at least perceived recoil seems to be more with the Sigs.

Just buy both!
 
I hear both of you on the MP45 for sure. Not sure what is driving me to these, it's just I have a bug for one of them I guess. I have a G30(actually G29 with a spare G30 slide to throw 45's downrange sometimes when I'm low in 10mm) and I LOVE it. I shoot it great. Maybe I was just thinking I wanted another DA/SA and there's just something "cool" about these two in question. And I thought, for their normal going rate, all things being equal they were at a good price point.

1903Collector said:
I have all three mentioned in this thread and I like them all.....but I find I shoot the M&P45 the most. However the HK45 is very new to me and I don't have a lot of range time with it to make a fair judgement. I have both a newer 220 and a W. German one and if I had to get rid of one it would be the newer one mainly because I don't like the rail, and to me at least perceived recoil seems to be more with the Sigs.

Just buy both!
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nxtgto87 said:
Let's say someone is looking at a West German P220(good cond) at $500 or a new HK45(non-LE) at $800. Let's also say that person just can't decide.

Which would you choose given your intended purpose for them? Inevitably buy both or neither will come up, but for all intents and purpose you landed on those two options.
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Hold both and buy whichever fits better in your hand.

-Mike
 
bigblue said:
What no school bus comments?
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In that regard the Sig is like .75 school bus and the HK is like .85 school bus, given the fact that they're both basically full size handguns, of course... [rofl] I would think the P220 would be easier to carry though, despite a possible weight disadvantage.

-Mike
 
nxtgto87 said:
I was actually looking forward to a picture of school bus pasted in there. Frankly, it's pretty much a spot on description lol.
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Glock 21 (as much as I like it) is kind of a school bus in this category.

And the HK MK23, is a double decker motor coach.... [rofl]
 
bigblue said:
But oh so gorgeous.
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Yeah, I kinda miss mine. It was a completely stupid gun, much like a Deagle, but it actually worked very well.

It was built to such a standard that it would be unlikely to ever need service outside of maybe a recoil spring once every 10 years of hard
use, LMAO... I used to shoot some very hot .45s out of mine and the thing didn't even care.

-Mike
 
The MK23 is a whole 'nother level. Not that I would actually buy one, but the thought makes me feel kinda like this...



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I had both and sold both. While I owned them, I preferred the HK45. The ergonomics of the HK worked better in my hand. I find most SIGs to be a challenge to carry concealed, comfortably, but the 220 seemed to be a big heavy block. If I was looking to carry 8 rounds of .45 ACP, I usually went for my S&W 1911PD, which is slimmer and noticeably lighter. I have to admit, that I did enjoy carrying the HK with one in the chamber and de-cocked. As a not-too-slim guy, carrying a 1911 in condition one was sometimes uncomfortable if the cocked hammer bit into my side (i.e. when in the car). So I ended up getting an HK45c, which I love. I now prefer that to my 1911PD.
If you are looking for a full size pistol, to carry in an OTW holster, where size and weight are secondary concerns, I think either gun is a fine choice. However if that is what you are looking at, I’d suggest an HK USP in 45. That with a pre-ban 12 round mag, is a pretty sweet package.
 
I would buy one in a heartbeat. Now you have talked me out of a P320 in .45 so that I can save up for a Mark 23.
 
Neither would probably be for carry - my G29/G30 is about as large as I'm willing to go for that. I was curious to hear exactly what others would do and how they'd have use for them and I like your rationale - certainly makes sense.


ranger4-7 said:
I had both and sold both. While I owned them, I preferred the HK45. The ergonomics of the HK worked better in my hand. I find most SIGs to be a challenge to carry concealed, comfortably, but the 220 seemed to be a big heavy block. If I was looking to carry 8 rounds of .45 ACP, I usually went for my S&W 1911PD, which is slimmer and noticeably lighter. I have to admit, that I did enjoy carrying the HK with one in the chamber and de-cocked. As a not-too-slim guy, carrying a 1911 in condition one was sometimes uncomfortable if the cocked hammer bit into my side (i.e. when in the car). So I ended up getting an HK45c, which I love. I now prefer that to my 1911PD.
If you are looking for a full size pistol, to carry in an OTW holster, where size and weight are secondary concerns, I think either gun is a fine choice. However if that is what you are looking at, I’d suggest an HK USP in 45. That with a pre-ban 12 round mag, is a pretty sweet package.
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Both awesome pistols.

for reasons I can't understand, i love the P220. It has 1911-like thin profile and filthy accurate (at least my 2014 production one is). the HK45 is also fantastic but the stock trigger needs a little work. the DA pull is heavy and stacks.

if i'm making no upgrades, I would go P220
if i'm up for replacing the hammer spring w a 10 lb replacement from Wolff springs, then I would go HK45.

also note cheaperthandirt has HK45 mags for like $37. everywhere else they're $65+. please don't flame me for liking CTD. wherever is cheapest wins for me.
 
Can you get an HK45 for $800? I got mine for like $750 but that was when HK had the $200 rebate. Not sure how to get that price today, they're usually $950.

I love my W. German P226, never shot the P220 but it feels great in hand with the single stack grip.

If this is a home defense gun, I think the 10 round HK w/ rail makes more sense, that's what I use mine for. If it's just for the range, maybe the Sig, I'd guess it's a bit more accurate - my P226 is my most accurate pistol. Trigger is better on Sigs in general too.

So why'd I get the HK? It just feels incredible in hand, and the engineering is great. I love it, and the trigger is better than the P series HKs.
 
Squib308 said:
if i'm up for replacing the hammer spring w a 10 lb replacement from Wolff springs, then I would go HK45.
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Be careful with the mainsprings on HKs, "one below stock" works, but if you use the 10 on a lot of guns, you will get light strikes, and the gun starts to feel ****y and weird at that pull weight. I think I used to use the 12 or whatever the increment below stock was.

-Mike
 
drgrant said:
Be careful with the mainsprings on HKs, "one below stock" works, but if you use the 10 on a lot of guns, you will get light strikes, and the gun starts to feel ****y and weird at that pull weight. I think I used to use the 12 or whatever the increment below stock was.

-Mike
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i havent had any light strikes yet or heard of anyone having them w 10lb springs. certainly a concern though. have u had light strikes or seen them?

the stock on many models is 12, so 10 doesnt seem to much less. the bigger difference is in the linearity of pull - the stock HK springs are shorter and stiffer so they stack more.
 
Squib308 said:
i havent had any light strikes yet or heard of anyone having them w 10lb springs. certainly a concern though. have u had light strikes or seen them?
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I just know when I tried to use the 10 on the USP .45 and the USP .40 things felt ****y and weird, and I had light strikes with some kinds of ammo.

the stock on many models is 12, so 10 doesnt seem to much less. the bigger difference is in the linearity of pull - the stock HK springs are shorter and stiffer so they stack more.
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On a lot of the USPs the stock is like 14, not 12. Maybe it's different on the HK45. Wolff doesn't even list a spring for the HK45, but I suspect theres a substitute in their lineup that works.

-Mike
 
Varmint said:
I think it's kind of like comparing an Impala to a 3 series - both perfectly functional and do the job, but one feels kind of like a POS compared to the other.

But these aren't cars, so it's a valid suggestion.
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I get that. The P220 and HK45 really do ooze quality. The thing is, however, I really don't like shooting either of them. The HK45 trigger guard/trigger beat the hell out of my trigger finger. The P220 is a great target shooter, but I'm done with DA/SA for any other use, and the whole Sig high bore axis thing seems outdated and unnecessary. But, realistically, if I'm going to shoot .45 at targets, the 1911 design beats everything out there. I'll probably trade or sell my P220 for this reason alone. So, if I were choosing a .45 for anything but paper punching I would go with the M&P or Glock. For target shooting, a 1911 would be first choice. All just my taste, of course. In actuality about 99% of my pistol shooting is with a 9mm Glock.
 

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