Practical Implications of H4885 for Purchasing and Possessing

milktree said:
So check this out:



And here's his response:




Yes, you read that right. Not even representatives are able to know what they're voting on.
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I would show you my shocked face but it looks like my normal face. You either vote for what leadership puts in front of you or you get base pay, no committee assignments, and no staff. The system is pretty well understood
 
CrackPot said:
I would show you my shocked face but it looks like my normal face. You either vote for what leadership puts in front of you or you get base pay, no committee assignments, and no staff. The system is pretty well understood corrupt
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That makes sense in a f***ed up dystopian kind of way, but I don't really get why the opposing party doesn't make a huge stink about this every time it comes up. Does the "D" leadership get to set the pay, committee assignments, and staff of the the "R" legislators?
 
milktree said:
That makes sense in a f***ed up dystopian kind of way, but I don't really get why the opposing party doesn't make a huge stink about this every time it comes up. Does the "D" leadership get to set the pay, committee assignments, and staff of the the "R" legislators?
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The Speaker of the House and the Senate President make all those decisions, regardless of party.
 
milktree said:
That makes sense in a f***ed up dystopian kind of way, but I don't really get why the opposing party doesn't make a huge stink about this every time it comes up. Does the "D" leadership get to set the pay, committee assignments, and staff of the the "R" legislators?
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Plus how many Rs are we really talking about here in MA? What 5 tops if that?
 
Question: A private person wants to sell me a MA compliant Tavor X95 via EFA10 personal transfer, which he bought from another private party via EFA10 personal transfer in MA on 7/25/24. Although he lawfully possessed it on 8/1, I did not, and as a result I am concerned about the legality of my now buying it and whether it would still be legal for me to possess it on 10/23 when the new law becomes effective, and thereafter. The seller claims that there is no restriction on a private party selling such a rifle now and that the 8/1 grandfathering provision only applies to sales by dealers and not private sellers. If anyone can offer any guidance on this I would be very appreciative since I am totally confused after reading all of the prior postings on the new law!
 
cjmass said:
Question: A private person wants to sell me a MA compliant Tavor X95 via EFA10 personal transfer, which he bought from another private party via EFA10 personal transfer in MA on 7/25/24. Although he lawfully possessed it on 8/1, I did not, and as a result I am concerned about the legality of my now buying it and whether it would still be legal for me to possess it on 10/23 when the new law becomes effective, and thereafter. The seller claims that there is no restriction on a private party selling such a rifle now and that the 8/1 grandfathering provision only applies to sales by dealers and not private sellers. If anyone can offer any guidance on this I would be very appreciative since I am totally confused after reading all of the prior postings on the new law!
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Did it legally exist under the control of a ma ffl or ltc holder prior to 8/1? If yes, it’s grandfathered. You can purchase it without worry.
 
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cjmass said:
Question: A private person wants to sell me a MA compliant Tavor X95 via EFA10 personal transfer, which he bought from another private party via EFA10 personal transfer in MA on 7/25/24. Although he lawfully possessed it on 8/1, I did not, and as a result I am concerned about the legality of my now buying it and whether it would still be legal for me to possess it on 10/23 when the new law becomes effective, and thereafter. The seller claims that there is no restriction on a private party selling such a rifle now and that the 8/1 grandfathering provision only applies to sales by dealers and not private sellers. If anyone can offer any guidance on this I would be very appreciative since I am totally confused after reading all of the prior postings on the new law!
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FTF LTC transfers for a pre 8/1 ASF are still good during this transitional phase. EFA10 system should still be utilized before 10/23 as long as the ASF was lawfully possessed before 8/1 because the new law is not in force yet. We are still under the old regime but with the caveat that no ASFs are allowed to be imported into the state except to dealers between 8/2 and 10/23.
 
Now this is just another nuance of the new law leaving total ambiguity.


The FA10 system was replaced by the EFA10 system during Cadillac Deval’s admin in 2011. That notice was pursuant to Ch.140 Sec.128A and 128B.


H.4885 strikes out in entirety 128A and replaces it with new language in SECTION 41 that is pursuant to 121B for the new ERFS to be designed and implemented by CJIS for registration.

So while 128A is now changed there is now no law to record a transaction for a system that doesn’t exist yet. This proves that the gun grabbers who signed this pos know the FA10 system was NEVER a registration system. It’s like a block chain by monkeys.
 
In consideration of 128B for the penalties of not registering firearm transfers we now have this new language:



“Section 128B. Any resident of the commonwealth who purchases or obtains a firearm from any source within or without the commonwealth, other than from a licensee under section one 122 or a person authorized to sell firearms under section 128A, and any nonresident of the commonwealth who purchases or obtains a firearm from any source within or without the commonwealth, other than such a licensee or person, and receives such firearm within the commonwealth, shall register such firearm and report such information required under sections 121B and 121C. Whoever violates any provision of this section shall for the first offense be punished by a fine of not less than $500 nor more than $1,000 and for any subsequent offense by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 10 years.“


So while EFA10 is defunct post 10/23 we are now in the twilight zone. No clarity on what to do and this thread will be replete with pantshitting about how to proceed until the new electronic registration system.
 
DJBrad said:
FTF LTC transfers for a pre 8/1 ASF are still good during this transitional phase. EFA10 system should still be utilized before 10/23 as long as the ASF was lawfully possessed before 8/1 because the new law is not in force yet. We are still under the old regime but with the caveat that no ASFs are allowed to be imported into the state except to dealers between 8/2 and 10/23.
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Thanks much for the guidance!
 
Is it still possible to buy something like an MCX and have an in-state FFL neuter it before whatever bullshit deadline we have to worry about or is that out of the question?
 
MAJoe said:
I mean, can you neuter it in such a way that complies with the new law?
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Maybe, but you really wouldn’t want it and there’s basically zero market for it. The new law basically only applies to firearms sold between 8/1 and 10/23. Everything else is either preban or won’t be on the roster. So, why deal with neutering, when for a still small markup you can just get the real preban deal? I got my LTC in 2010 a preban had to be 16 years old. Right now a preban has to be 9 days old. Just go get the preban.
 
KH56010 said:
Maybe, but you really wouldn’t want it and there’s basically zero market for it. The new law basically only applies to firearms sold between 8/1 and 10/23. Everything else is either preban or won’t be on the roster. So, why deal with neutering, when for a still small markup you can just get the real preban deal? I got my LTC in 2010 a preban had to be 16 years old. Right now a preban has to be 9 days old. Just go get the preban.
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Or just wait for Bianchi to get Cert.
If it doesn't we're screwed over time
If we loose at SCOTUS, the country is done.

However, the odds are that cert is granted and Maryland looses which means we all win and none of this shit matters anymore.
 
KH56010 said:
Maybe, but you really wouldn’t want it and there’s basically zero market for it. The new law basically only applies to firearms sold between 8/1 and 10/23. Everything else is either preban or won’t be on the roster. So, why deal with neutering, when for a still small markup you can just get the real preban deal? I got my LTC in 2010 a preban had to be 16 years old. Right now a preban has to be 9 days old. Just go get the preban.
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pastera said:
Or just wait for Bianchi to get Cert.
If it doesn't we're screwed over time
If we loose at SCOTUS, the country is done.

However, the odds are that cert is granted and Maryland looses which means we all win and none of this shit matters anymore.
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Yeah pretty much. I’m sure the SIG MCX is a great gun but definitely not worth paying $5k for one just due to panic buying. Sure you can say “supply and demand” to which I’d say the demand isn’t too high from a standpoint of home defense.

Unless it’s KAC, I’ll wait for them to get sued and lose. If they win… well then we’ll have a bigger problem on our hands so I won’t be worried then either.
 
BlastingRaccoon47 said:
Depends, do I have to legally register a hand guard to buy it?
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Since it has the pistol grip, there is no handguard allowed nor the threaded barrel. This pic is a similar example of what you would be looking at in a post H.4885 scenario. This Colt bare bones build can have a fixed stock attached only in its current build state and it’s still not compliant. Threaded barrel and muzzle break. A pin and welded break might not even pass since it is a threaded barrel. You’d need a crowned barrel.

You can still buy a handguard but you’d have to get rid or neuter the pistol grip and the threaded barrel.
 
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Did I miss my chance to buy a new DW 1911? Or is it still possible but only if in state pre 8/1
 

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