Restraining order question

[SHOCKNAWE]

Unless he decides to "do nothing" or "do it himself the wrong way" I disagree, there are lots of people who have defeated a bogus RO and got their LTC back. It's not that uncommon of a thing in this state. 50% of divorces in MA probably involve 209As.

Of course yes, if its purely a suitability thing (there are faggot mc shit PD/chief/LO that hold vices against people who were ever hit by an RO) then he could have more problems and thats another enchilada of bullshit. Of course once the RO is cleared fully he can just move away from that problem.

But we dont have enough detail to know the specifics.

IDK my good friend had a situation where his wife ( now ex ) called the police stating she felt “Threatened” and the cops showed up, told him to just leave the premises and since there was no indication or talk of physical/verbal threats no arrest or court appearance was necessary, she went to the police the next day and got a RO literally just to bust his balls at work.

This was 2013-14? Still no LTC. This was in Peabody and when he moved to Reading the Chief told him he would need to get it reinstated through Peabody before they would even talk to him. Peabody said no, court said no. I saw a copy of the report and it was retarded that they were refusing him over it.

I’m very suspect of “Lots People defeating a bogus RO and getting it back” but I’m just speaking from what I’ve seen and I’d say it’s probably a good 3 or 4 people, 1 who actively worked in LE.

Maybe I’m wrong but either way I wouldn’t feel confident about the situation.

 

[whacko]

We dated for 2. Lived together for 2 more. Will hit our 32 years married this Sept.

Was it perfect all the time? Hell no.

Dated for 2 years as well. Didn't live together until we actually got married. Moved into our apartment after the honeymoon. Guess we are "old school". 27 years later......was it perfect....no.....was it hard.....sometimes.....but it's been worth the work.....and yes.....marriage is alot work

 

[1903Collector]

Dated for 2 years as well. Didn't live together until we actually got married. Moved into our apartment after the honeymoon. Guess we are "old school". 27 years later......was it perfect....no.....was it hard.....sometimes.....but it's been worth the work.....and yes.....marriage is alot work

Same, dated/engaged for six years and hit our 30th in a couple of weeks, almost 40 years together. My parents hit there 67th Sunday...No divorces in our family...Death is the only way out LOL. If I was a young man today however I would be way more careful, lot of nutties around, or at least it seems that way compared to my younger days.

OP, Best of luck!

 

[In God We Trust]

Why would he need to delete the thread, FFS? He said nothing incriminating, no personally identifiable info, and didn’t mention a town.

Is any PD going to look their records and try and figure who the guy is? What would be the point of doing so?

Please cut the shit with the “dEleTe tHreAd!!!” Comments.

 

[greencobra]

you don't have to be married to witness the fallout when a woman snaps. i spent 35 years in management in a manufacturing environment. i have seen countless examples of men and women, friends and co-workers for years, talk and joke with each other also for years, and then one day something triggered the woman to come into the office and report the friend for harassment. don't know why that day was different from any other, but you all know how relaxed people get when they are comfortable with each other. even after off the record warnings, they still let their guard down. and with companies having "zero tolerance" policies, the guy is jobless and has to go home and explain to the family why he has no job. women are bat shit nuts...most of them anyway.

 

[drgrant]

IDK my good friend had a situation where his wife ( now ex ) called the police stating she felt “Threatened” and the cops showed up, told him to just leave the premises and since there was no indication or talk of physical/verbal threats no arrest or court appearance was necessary, she went to the police the next day and got a RO literally just to bust his balls at work.

This was 2013-14? Still no LTC. This was in Peabody and when he moved to Reading the Chief told him he would need to get it reinstated through Peabody before they would even talk to him. Peabody said no, court said no. I saw a copy of the report and it was retarded that they were refusing him over it.

Peabody is the definition of a shitty mc shit town thats fake green on its best days, so I'm not surprised there. (IIRC those motherf***ers used to B-ram people back in the day)

Did he retain an attorney to try to fix this problem? or based purely on winging it

if he's winging it chance of failure on these is 110%. That part I can agree on.

I’m very suspect of “Lots People defeating a bogus RO and getting it back” but I’m just speaking from what I’ve seen and I’d say it’s probably a good 3 or 4 people, 1 who actively worked in LE.

Maybe I’m wrong but either way I wouldn’t feel confident about the situation.

I've known too many people on here and elsewhere that overcame that BS without issue. Obviously shit towns or latent shit towns, youre going to have a
problem WRT suitability.

 

[Broc]

IDK my good friend had a situation where his wife ( now ex ) called the police stating she felt “Threatened” and the cops showed up, told him to just leave the premises and since there was no indication or talk of physical/verbal threats no arrest or court appearance was necessary, she went to the police the next day and got a RO literally just to bust his balls at work.

This was 2013-14? Still no LTC. This was in Peabody and when he moved to Reading the Chief told him he would need to get it reinstated through Peabody before they would even talk to him. Peabody said no, court said no. I saw a copy of the report and it was retarded that they were refusing him over it.

I’m very suspect of “Lots People defeating a bogus RO and getting it back” but I’m just speaking from what I’ve seen and I’d say it’s probably a good 3 or 4 people, 1 who actively worked in LE.

Maybe I’m wrong but either way I wouldn’t feel confident about the situation.

We don't know the background. But, did he ask a lawyer to speak with the PoPo or is he being a skinflint to save the $250-500 a lawyer might charge for that?

2013-2014 was almost a decade ago, if he hasn't committed any crimes, his ex is fine, he hasn't threatened her and there is nothing else weird going on, the CLEO is just being a c*nt at this point - both CLEO are being c*nts.

Tell him to speak with a lawyer.

 

[Dench]

Easy said about hiring a Lawyer which is very expensive, Everyone seems to want to replay their option here. How about starting a GOFUNDME page and lets see how many people still want to back up their onion with a few bucks. I will be the first if you start one. your situation could happen to anyone that owns a self protection device.

wtf

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

Peabody is the definition of a shitty mc shit town thats fake green on its best days, so I'm not surprised there. (IIRC those motherf***ers used to B-ram people back in the day)

Did he retain an attorney to try to fix this problem? or based purely on winging it

if he's winging it chance of failure on these is 110%. That part I can agree on.



I've known too many people on here and elsewhere that overcame that BS without issue. Obviously shit towns or latent shit towns, youre going to have a
problem WRT suitability.

We don't know the background. But, did he ask a lawyer to speak with the PoPo or is he being a skinflint to save the $250-500 a lawyer might charge for that?

2013-2014 was almost a decade ago, if he hasn't committed any crimes, his ex is fine, he hasn't threatened her and there is nothing else weird going on, the CLEO is just being a c*nt at this point - both CLEO are being c*nts.

Tell him to speak with a lawyer.

Initially he did have a lawyer, the lawyer didn’t help him other than put him in a position to appeal. I think he didn’t want to spend the money on what he thought would be a wasted effort so there is that. I haven’t spoken to him since I retired 4 years ago.

Both you guys might be correct, maybe I am being a defeatist but either way the sooner the OP gets a lawyer the better as you both say, I would just not be overly confident about winning is all, at least right away.

 

[Broc]

Initially he did have a lawyer, the lawyer didn’t help him other than put him in a position to appeal. I think he didn’t want to spend the money on what he thought would be a wasted effort so there is that. I haven’t spoken to him since I retired 4 years ago.

Both you guys might be correct, maybe I am being a defeatist but either way the sooner the OP gets a lawyer the better as you both say, I would just not be overly confident about winning is all, at least right away.

Tell him to speak with a real lawyer, one that understands guns and how this State works.

Maybe the advice he got almost 10 years ago was good for that time based on the situation.

Also, speaking with a lawyer and paying a lawyer to do the work are two different things. Most lawyers will give you some free time for some questions and give you a high level explanation unless you know what you are asking about.

If a lawyer said - your best option is to appeal - my next question would be "how much for you to do the paperwork and send a nice letter to the CLEO or whoever needs one?".

 

[Toast]

In the early dating stages most of the personalities should have reared their ugly heads.

My wife hates it when I say this, but it's true. The most important rule to follow in life is in any interaction with any woman under all circumstances, immediately assume "That Bitch Is Crazy." Relationships don't matter - spouse, child, friend, stranger - IT APPLIES TO ALL OF THEM.

The nice lady on the next treadmill over at the gym? She may be looking for someone to talk to in order to get distracted from the pain in her quads. Then again, she may be the prototype for Glenn Close's Fatal Attraction character.

In some (many? most?) cases, it may not be true, but even assuming that the sane ones are crazy will pay benefits, and even more so when you are dealing with a crazy one.

 

[GaryO]

This shit is why "MGTOW" exists.

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Is that the modern day

And since OP just signed up a couple days ago we have to give him a break on not knowing never to stick it in crazy even though the sex is fun.

 

[42!]

Unless he decides to "do nothing" or "do it himself the wrong way" I disagree, there are lots of people who have defeated a bogus RO and got their LTC back. It's not that uncommon of a thing in this state. 50% of divorces in MA probably involve 209As.

Of course yes, if its purely a suitability thing (there are faggot mc shit PD/chief/LO that hold vices against people who were ever hit by an RO) then he could have more problems and thats another enchilada of bullshit. Of course once the RO is cleared fully he can just move away from that problem.

But we dont have enough detail to know the specifics.

But the OP did say she didn't follow through on the TRO in court, so there is no RO. But the PD still took his LTC and they are going to "send him a letter". This says suitability to me and that says all you need to know about the local PD. If they were going to give it back they would have said so, they send a letter so they don't need to deal with him when he gets the bad news.

 

[Hoover]

OP I’d plan on never getting your LTC back.

This exact same scenario happened to a buddy of mine who works at the sheriffs department and nothing he did, letters, crying, court, bitching ect.. ect.. ect… helped him. I’m not saying it’s a done deal but plan on it so your not completely in shock over it

It’s a temp RO, a judge hasn’t heard the served persons side.

I know people who had temp ROs and have their LTC back. It depends on the situation and the police in that town.

 

[Toast]

It depends on the situation and the police in that town.

FIFY

 

[weekendracer]

Unless he decides to "do nothing" or "do it himself the wrong way" I disagree, there are lots of people who have defeated a bogus RO and got their LTC back. It's not that uncommon of a thing in this state. 50% of divorces in MA probably involve 209As.

Of course yes, if its purely a suitability thing (there are faggot mc shit PD/chief/LO that hold vices against people who were ever hit by an RO) then he could have more problems and thats another enchilada of bullshit. Of course once the RO is cleared fully he can just move away from that problem.

But we dont have enough detail to know the specifics.

Drgrant is my hero, the R. Lee Ermy of the f***** word. I doubt I'd get in trouble for saying it, but dammit, it's his word, not mine to spoil.

 

[Hoover]

FIFY

Situation matters. Was there any events the police would have issues with. Were there threats, etc. we may not know the full extent of the situation so that’s a factor in this and it’s a factor in others too.

 

[tuna]

Sorry you have that view but......you don't know everybody. My wife's parents were married for 40 years until my FIL died of cancer.....happily......

No offense, but this just struck me as ROFL funny. It reminded me of the old joke:

Q- Why do men die before their wives?
A- They want to

 

[whacko]

No offense, but this just struck me as ROFL funny. It reminded me of the old joke:

Q- Why do men die before their wives?
A- They want to

No offense taken.....its a joke. I get it.

But they were happily married.....he retired am army full colonel then worked as a da civian at the pentagon (DIA) for many years.......was set to retire in 6 months when he was diagnosed......died 4 months later.......I caught an emergency flight home from Iraq to attend the burial at Arlington. This was 2003. My first phone call home about 12 weeks after being in Iraq she told me he had cancer. Next message I got a few weeks later was he had passed away.

He was a dedicated family man and my wife said every time she talked to him first thing he asked was if she'd heard from me.

I think he'd have enjoyed his retirement but he never got to see it.

 

[SgtHal75]

My wife hates it when I say this, but it's true. The most important rule to follow in life is in any interaction with any woman under all circumstances, immediately assume "That Bitch Is Crazy." Relationships don't matter - spouse, child, friend, stranger - IT APPLIES TO ALL OF THEM.

The nice lady on the next treadmill over at the gym? She may be looking for someone to talk to in order to get distracted from the pain in her quads. Then again, she may be the prototype for Glenn Close's Fatal Attraction character.

In some (many? most?) cases, it may not be true, but even assuming that the sane ones are crazy will pay benefits, and even more so when you are dealing with a crazy one.

The Hot Crazy Matrix….they ALL fit into it somewhere

 

[Toast]

Situation matters. Was there any events the police would have issues with. Were there threats, etc. we may not know the full extent of the situation so that’s a factor in this and it’s a factor in others too.

In any case where it's at the sole discretion of an individual (in this case, the police chief), the situation is irrelevant. If the PC is a bad-publicity-averse tool and wants no risk of possible bad press, the situation won't matter and the LTC evaporates. Conversely, if the LTC holder is a member of "the club", the situation is still irrelevant, but in the other direction.

 

[Amputee Marksman]

As has been said, get a lawyer and delete this thread.

More specific to the OPs question. Assuming the TRO was dismissed when she didn't show up. The police will send you a letter revoking your LTC for suitability. It's up to you to appeal this. DO NOT GO INTO THAT COURTROOM WITHOUT A LAWYER. You will probably lose the first round anyway, but you need to set up for the second. Frankly, given MA, your chances aren't good. But without a lawyer they're less than zero.

Moving to NH is a legitimate option.

The only issues I see with moving to NH is to make sure and deal with the revocation in MA. Don't want to leave behind an unchallenged revocation because the potential for it to come back and bite you in the future is too high. Especially if you move to NH you may want to have a non-resident LTC for MA.

 

[Hoover]

In any case where it's at the sole discretion of an individual (in this case, the police chief), the situation is irrelevant. If the PC is a bad-publicity-averse tool and wants no risk of possible bad press, the situation won't matter and the LTC evaporates. Conversely, if the LTC holder is a member of "the club", the situation is still irrelevant, but in the other direction.

What you described is why the situation matter. What happened aka the situation, is a huge factor. I know someone personally who had 2 TROs filed on them within months and the PO took the persons LTC and firearms, they didn’t suspend the LTC and they held the guns, they were not sent to a bonded warehouse. The officer who handles LTCs with that town knew the person and knew of the nutcase who filed the TROs and knew they were BS. There was also an arrest involved. After the case was dismissed a year later, the LTC and guns were returned to the person.

In that situation the police knew the person who made the complaints was a nutcase and the other person was being victimized by the system. Yes, the situation matters.

Maybe a town like Brookline, Newton, Boston, Springfield will automatically suspend an LTC and not return it without court intervention but those types of towns are the minority, even in Massachusetts. The police has discretion and the people involved , the facts/situation, matter.

 

[OLAK]

Don't talk with her, don't answer phone calls from her, record any call from her, save all msg and print them out to cover your a$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get a lawyer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She lied and said that I hit her. Next thing knew there were 5 cop cars.
I went thru this 20 plus years ago, had to go to court before I got license back and another hassle getting my guns back from the pd.
I have 12yrs of phone calls & msg before it finally stopped

 

[HorizontalHunter]

Since you gotta move anyway, maybe consider NH - you still gotta lawyer up and deal with the RO, but once that's out of the way you won't be fighting to get your LTC back as you won't need one.

On the plus side it was suspended not revoked. If he is in a reasonable town it probably isn’t a big issue getting it back once the RO is resolved assuming he doesn’t do stupid stuff. There are reasonable cities and towns.

Sorry you have that view but......you don't know everybody. My wife's parents were married for 40 years until my FIL died of cancer.....happily......my parents were married for their lifetime.........both mine and my wife's grandparents.......same thing married once and married for life. My wife and I celebrated 27 years last August.....if Iisten to you I should be planning my escape. No thanks......I'm all set.

Same here. My wife and I have been married 30 years this year.

Bob

 

[42!]

The only issues I see with moving to NH is to make sure and deal with the revocation in MA. Don't want to leave behind an unchallenged revocation because the potential for it to come back and bite you in the future is too high. Especially if you move to NH you may want to have a non-resident LTC for MA.

mNH doesn’t care about MA suitability trust me on this. They strictly follow the statues. And if the CoP does you can sue and the CoP is personally responsible.

The MA non res is an issue and if it wasn’t for some heath issues I’d be fighting it right now. Technically there is no. Suitability clause in the non res part of the law but it’s MAY issue so the same results. The big difference being that if you meet the stautes requirements and they deny anyway it’s ripe for a 2a challenge

 

[mousegunfan]

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[Hoover]

I had this experience. A temp RO is only for 24 hours. After that it has to go to court and you will be served. My case was only temp RO. A temp RO means nothing and you should ask for your license back through a lawyer in my opinion. Make sure to have zero contact with this woman. Zero means zero. If you want your stuff have the police escort you.

A temp RO is until the court date on the RO. It isn’t for 24 hours, it could be for a few weeks if that’s when they set the court date.

A temp RO absolutely is not nothing. If the nut who took it out on you knows how to work the system and is crazy and vengeful enough, they could call the cops while the temp RO is in effect and say you drove by and yelled threats or called from a blocked number and threatened them. The cops may say that’s enough for them and arrest you for violating the RO. And also for the rest of your time in MA, you’ll be checking the box that you had a RO against you, then need to explain it to the police department person in charge of licensing.

Also you may find it advisable to get a lawyer to fit the temp RO so it doesn’t turn into a RO and that lawyer isn’t cheap.

If anyone gets issued a temp RO they need to take it very seriously and do not do anything which may violate it and in court fight it like crazy.

 

[Toast]

What you described is why the situation matter. What happened aka the situation, is a huge factor. I know someone personally who had 2 TROs filed on them within months and the PO took the persons LTC and firearms, they didn’t suspend the LTC and they held the guns, they were not sent to a bonded warehouse. The officer who handles LTCs with that town knew the person and knew of the nutcase who filed the TROs and knew they were BS. There was also an arrest involved. After the case was dismissed a year later, the LTC and guns were returned to the person.

Which is exactly the point I'm making. It's a function of the person making the decision. The "situation" is meaningless. The LO knew the parties and decided which one he would believe and which he would ignore. The limitless discretion of the LO is the sole determiner.

 

[Toast]

The Hot Crazy Matrix….they ALL fit into it somewhere