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In some calibers (eg, .40 S+W) the profile is likely close to the same thing, because all .40 cal pistol bullets are usually truncated cone/flat point anyways- they're basically just hollow points without a hollow space in the top.
It's not a big deal but it is something I prefer to mess with as little as possible.
-Mike
I heard that if you carry your own that You use them in self defence the court will have a field day with you.
You heard wrong.I heard that if you carry your own that You use them in self defence the court will have a field day with you.
I like to carry deadly style (aren't they all deadly??) Hollow Points. I can't AFFORD to shoot thousands of rounds of the style I carry, as factory ammo. That is to say, it's important to me that I shoot a lot, to be proficient at shooting. So, pick any popular factory self defense rounds. . . . I can't afford to shoot thousands of those, so that when I ***HAVE*** to fire them in my carry gun, I have confidence in my shooting ability to hit what I am aiming at.
Sooooooooooo.... I reload my own Hollow Points, and shoot thousands of those. And, that's what I carry in my carry gun. I know exactly how my gun will perform. Whether I fire it at a bad guy on the street, or at a defenseless paper target. It will perform exactly the same way as any one of the thousands of previous rounds at the practice range.
I think it's "foolish" (don't beat me up on that one) to shoot one round at practice, and then shoot a "few" self defense rounds once in a while, and then head out onto the streets of life carrying something that you rarely shoot.
Attorney: "Now, tell me, Mr. Jones. How often do you shoot the rounds that you killed my client with?"
Mr Jones: "Uh, I only shoot them once in a while, because they are so expensive"
Attorney: "Oh, so you would say that you are NOT an expert at shooting those particular rounds?"
You see how silly that is? Using factory rounds can get you in as much trouble as anything.
Call me silly, but I want to shoot (out in the big bad world) exactly what I shoot all the time at the range. What jury is going to have an issue with that?
from what i have found, Kittery sells hornady hp bullets per 100 for $17.00(rounding) and a box of 500 regular lead bullets for $52.00 if I'm not mistaken, that's only 7 cents more a round. granted that a lot of money after shooting as often as some do.
if you don't reload that's a different sorry on exactly how much, im not sure at the moment.
Edit: kittery seems more expensive in some area's so depending on your local gun shop, it could be completely different.
I like to carry deadly style (aren't they all deadly??) Hollow Points. I can't AFFORD to shoot thousands of rounds of the style I carry, as factory ammo. That is to say, it's important to me that I shoot a lot, to be proficient at shooting. So, pick any popular factory self defense rounds. . . . I can't afford to shoot thousands of those, so that when I ***HAVE*** to fire them in my carry gun, I have confidence in my shooting ability to hit what I am aiming at.
Sooooooooooo.... I reload my own Hollow Points, and shoot thousands of those. And, that's what I carry in my carry gun. I know exactly how my gun will perform. Whether I fire it at a bad guy on the street, or at a defenseless paper target. It will perform exactly the same way as any one of the thousands of previous rounds at the practice range.
I think it's "foolish" (don't beat me up on that one) to shoot one round at practice, and then shoot a "few" self defense rounds once in a while, and then head out onto the streets of life carrying something that you rarely shoot.
Attorney: "Now, tell me, Mr. Jones. How often do you shoot the rounds that you killed my client with?"
Mr Jones: "Uh, I only shoot them once in a while, because they are so expensive"
Attorney: "Oh, so you would say that you are NOT an expert at shooting those particular rounds?"
You see how silly that is? Using factory rounds can get you in as much trouble as anything.
Call me silly, but I want to shoot (out in the big bad world) exactly what I shoot all the time at the range. What jury is going to have an issue with that?
Dead is dead. If you are going to have to shoot them, make sure they are dead.
You never hear:
Atty: "Your honor, I protest that my client was killed with a stick that was not an approved stick"
or
Atty: "Your honor, I protest that my client was killed with a 2 pound rock when the state only approves the use of 1 pound rocks."
HP's, round nose, SWC's, factory loads, reloads... what's the difference? Dead is dead. And, dead is forever.
If you have to shoot. KILL.
I can get Missouri Bullet Co. cast bullets in both .356" diameter (for 9mm) and .357" diameter (for .38 Special and .357 Magnum) for $56/1000 ($62 once you include shipping).
There is no way I am reloading jacketed or even plated bullets with that price point for cast lead.
Shooting with the intention of killing someone is not 'self defense'. This has been discussed dozens of times. If you're in a true self defense situation you should be on the defensive not on the attack and you should be shooting only to neutralize the threat.
ETA You will hear 'why did he have to kill him?'
Your practice round must perform like your carry round, but it doesn't have to be the exact same round. I just load a similar bullet to the same velocity as the factory round.
Shooting with the intention of killing someone is not 'self defense'. This has been discussed dozens of times. If you're in a true self defense situation you should be on the defensive not on the attack and you should be shooting only to neutralize the threat.
ETA You will hear 'why did he have to kill him?'
Are you suggesting that in a self defense (my life is about to be terminated) situation, that I should only kill the bad guy a LITTLE BIT? Maybe just wound him?
Hahahahahaha
I'm not giving the bad guy any additional chances to kill me. You've seen the movies, they always come back to life, sneak up behind you, and try to kill you again.....
hahaha
Are you serious!? This is sarcasm right?
You can't tell me that if it is somewhat dark, but you know the BG is armed and is coming at you, you are going to shoot him in the leg, or right shoulder?
Hell no, you are going for the center.
When you go to purchase loads for your carry gun are you looking for bullets that kill the bg or are you looking for bullets that will 'stop' the bg?
Most factory ammo was still made in America when MA first made his statement about the liability issue regarding reloads. That was quite a few years ago. For some of the factory ammo that is now produced overseas a 3%-6% failure rate is considered good enough to leave the factory. I buy the ammo I don't reload myself at Wal-Mart so the factory ammo I get is pretty much made overseas.
Very true. But then again I wouldn't know personally. I can't afford the top shelf stuff.For whatever it's worth, most -QUALITY- Sefl Defense ammo is ALL made in the USA. Federal, Speer/CCI, Remington, and Winchester all make their premium lines domestically.
-Mike
throw your glock at him
Waaaaaaaaaaaay too light to do any good.
The natural consequence of being all plastic to go through metal detectors............
Now I know you are full of it.
Why don't you just use a rubber band and paper clips?
I can get Missouri Bullet Co. cast bullets in both .356" diameter (for 9mm) and .357" diameter (for .38 Special and .357 Magnum) for $56/1000 ($62 once you include shipping).
There is no way I am reloading jacketed or even plated bullets with that price point for cast lead.
Are you serious!? This is sarcasm right?
You can't tell me that if it is somewhat dark, but you know the BG is armed and is coming at you, you are going to shoot him in the leg, or right shoulder?
Hell no, you are going for the center.
dont even do that, just shoot the weapon out of his hand!
P.S. Some of the advanced training suggests that the bad guys are starting to wear soft body armor. The drill is: Two to Center mass, one or two to groin area, one or two to head. Repeat as needed.
I see no benefit in using reloads for defense.
#1 - I trust commercial defensive ammo more than I trust reloads. Why take the risk?
#2 - I don't trust the Massachusetts justice system for half a second. I already anticipate an uphill battle if I ever have to shoot in self defense. Why give them anything else to hold against me?
#3 - How I defend myself (a result of how much practice/training I've had) is going to count a hell of a lot more than what I shot the guy with.
#1 - I trust commercial defensive ammo more than I trust reloads. Why take the risk?
I could come up with a bunch of reasons to use commercial ammo, but this isn't/wouldn't be one of them.
If I couldn't trust my reloads I probably would not be reloading. (EG, because rounds that don't go off when they need to might lead to a scenario where a gun gets blown up, among other things. )
-Mike