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Short AR Barrel Question???????
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Noooooo....,..paperwork...paperwok
Independence Arms
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12.5" barrel with a 3.5" muzzle device (pinned and welded)equals a 16" OAL barrel.
Alex9661
NES Member
It's perfectly legal. Just make sure your muzzle device is permanently attached and isn't a flashhider unless you're using a pre-ban lower.
You can do this legally, but it's completely utterly pointless to do so, as the extension/brake/whatever it is has to be permanently attached.
If you actually want an SBR build an SBR!
-Mike
Independence Arms
Instructor
permanent attached means, by definition in the eyes of MGL as either silver soldered, or blind pinned, and welded over. Just to clarify.
Independence Arms
Instructor
If your trying to go compact, go for something in a bull pup design, and you will still get a 16" barrel.
Serious question - is there any benefit to having a shorter barrel beyond compactness? In other words, what is the point of having a short barrel with a huge comp/extension permanently attached to turn it into a 16" length? It seems like if you're going to have 16" of barrel length, you might as well make it all barrel (or maybe 14.5" of barrel and 1.5" of comp).
if we weren't forced to pin and weld, then yes, but having thought about it this doesn't make sense. I was just trying to find an excuse to by a nice used upper that featured a 12.5" Noveske barrel. time to start looking at building an upper from scratch to get what I want.
Thank you for all of the advise Gents
pdm
NES Member
Still have to neuter it with a lug-ectomy, fixed stock and no eeeeeevil flash hider though, right?
..Depends on whose side of the "SBR may be exempt from AWB" thing you believe. (there is a thread about this in the NFA subforum that discusses both sides of the argument). Obviously the legally conservative approach is "if you want the evil stuff it should be pre ban", otherwise neuter.
-Mike
An argument can be made that the AWB doesn't apply to SBRs because an SBR doesn't meet the MA definition of a "rifle", and the AWB applies to "semiautomatic rifles". Here's a link to the post in the NFA FAQ that outlines the arguments for and against.
http://www.northeastshooters.com/vb...entric-NFA-FAQ?p=422229&viewfull=1#post422229
ETA: Beaten by drgrant
pdm
NES Member
Whatever you do don't call up EOPS and ask them about that. You will surely get an "OMG NO NEIN EVERYTHING IS ILLEGALLLLLLL IN ZE COMMONWEALTH!!!! AAAAUGH" answer.
-Mike
WTF would I do that?
![[rofl]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/013.gif "ROFL [rofl]")
Now I just have to figure out if it's worth the NFA form hassle.
WTF would I do that?
I might consider going the NFA route for an SBR someday but only after they eliminate the need for CLEO sign off first, our licensing officer mentioned that "hey you look just like one of those guys on goodfellas"....can just imagine my chances of getting him to give me the okay for an SBR
You realize he's probably just joking with you?
BTW, once the signoff thing goes away, you realize the approval time is probably going to take 4 times as long? I would not be surprised if SBRs take up to a year, unless the ATF gets a brain and decides to modernize the process.
if you saw me you would realize he wasn't joking......i need my LTC renewed in December and need to meet with him anyway, once we have the LTC taken care of I will ask about the SBR approval and if he says sure then off we go
yup, got it...thanks
They have done away with it. It's called a trust or LLC, and it's easy as pie.
Mass-diver
NES Member
Sadly when the Cleo requirement does go away, the trust route will probably be gone too.
I wouldn't hold my breath for either, and in the meantime, trusts are easy, and a perfect route to avoid problematic CLEOs.
Mass-diver
NES Member
I'm playing the waiting game now - 3 months since they cashed my check. I probably have at least 3 more to go
Actually, the NFA branch examiners are very supportive. There are tons of stories of examiners fixing minor errors, or calling to inform of lack of signatures, serial number mistakes, etc. The wait is driven by the fact the process is still almost wholly manual, and hasn't changed much since the beginning. Add to that the large amount of requests, and you end up with a backlog/wait.
What do they really have to do, though? If you can get a NICS check done in minutes, what possible justification can there be for it taking so long? 6 months or more? Ridiculous.
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