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[Coyote33]

My point is It's basically the same class of weirdness. WSM isn't even allowed to smell the farts of other cultish hunting cartridges.
WSM, WSSM, RUM, etc = nobody cares

It's OK, Mike, this isn't one of those, though it sounds the same. Show us on the doll where the WSM touched you. Maybe you need to go bang its wife and throw its keys on its roof.
Your dislike of "WSM" is misguided, if you are thinking of the "WSM" of the early 2000's. Again, this isn't one of those. Read up, it might help.

Again it's not that they're "bad" it's that they're commercially nonviable because they don't overcome the overlap problem.

Not sure what this "overlap" is, unless you mean the initials in the name.

I think you are talking about the line of cartridges from the early 2000's:

Winchester Short Magnum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

WSM Calibers

www.winchesterguns.com

This is not one of those.


Look Mike,
I'm not selling either these guns or the ammunition. I have no stake in this. I only came to say it isn't just revolvers and levers at the Shot show.

I'm not a firearms marketing specialist, just pointing out something I noticed in case anybody else was interested.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

I already have micrometers on those dies. They are very smooth and work fine.

In that case, your argument is basically this: "I already own all that I need and therefore anything new that shows that I overpaid is bad idea".

 

[paul73]

In that case, your argument is basically this: "I already own all that I need and therefore anything new that shows that I overpaid is bad idea".

'new'?
it existed since the beginning of time. a $40 item.

what matters is the rest of the die, that micrometer goes on top of.

 

[T-Unit]

I only buy single dies.
Because not one company is best for all.
For example for 6.5cm I use dies from Wilson (seating), Forrester (sizing), Lee (only to decap) and 21st to expand.

I like the micrometer adjustment, people will have to keep notes on what they use for each caliber.

The very serious people either use specialized dies, or will have a micrometer for each caliber because they don't want to have to re-adjust each time. But the 90% of reloaders that want quality but are not looking for sub 5 SD and 1/8" groups, could benefit from this.

What I like about this is the way of thinking. They could have released yet another $100+ micrometer die for each caliber. Instead they went a route where one can be used for everything. I think that is great.

I reload for pistol because that's what I mostly shoot and have the Lee die sets because they work just fine for pistol reloading or in some calibers are the only dies readily available. After finding out how shit the Lee mouth flare die is for .32 calibers, I bought the Lyman M die and it made a huge difference. I ended up buying the M die for .38 and .45, but I can't say it's massively better in the .45 than the Lee flare die is.

I'm sure for rifle it's different, but starting out with a starter set from a commonly used brand like RCBS and finding out which dies aren't cutting it is better than mixing and matching right from start.

 

[Broc]

I reload for pistol because that's what I mostly shoot and have the Lee die sets because they work just fine for pistol reloading or in some calibers are the only dies readily available. After finding out how shit the Lee mouth flare die is for .32 calibers, I bought the Lyman M die and it made a huge difference. I ended up buying the M die for .38 and .45, but I can't say it's massively better in the .45 than the Lee flare die is.

I'm sure for rifle it's different, but starting out with a starter set from a commonly used brand like RCBS and finding out which dies aren't cutting it is better than mixing and matching right from start.

Depends. For match reloading, I buy quality from the start, that means mixing without buying a "starter" set. But I also learned over the years what works and what doesn't.

I only have the LEE for decaping because the die doesn't touch the case.

But, I do reload other calibers with Lee dies, like 460. They work fine for a straight wall cartridge. I also have a set of RCBS for 45/70 BPCR and a set of LEE for the 45/70 BFR.

I have a couple of Hornady dies as well, but I forget for which caliber and one or two Dillon dies for 9mm.

I am all over.

 

[T-Unit]

Depends. For match reloading, I buy quality from the start, that means mixing without buying a "starter" set. But I also learned over the years what works and what doesn't.

I only have the LEE for decaping because the die doesn't touch the case.

But, I do reload other calibers with Lee dies, like 460. They work fine for a straight wall cartridge. I also have a set of RCBS for 45/70 BPCR and a set of LEE for the 45/70 BFR.

I have a couple of Hornady dies as well, but I forget for which caliber and one or two Dillon dies for 9mm.

I am all over.

I'll probably be getting into loading for .45-70 this year or next, what does the RCBS do the Lee doesn't? Or is this just you having a progressive set up and use the other set for single stage presses?

 

[Broc]

I'll probably be getting into loading for .45-70 this year or next, what does the RCBS do the Lee doesn't? Or is this just you having a progressive set up and use the other set for single stage presses?

I went with RCBS for BPCR because at the time they had a micrometer seating die.

 

[paul73]

I only buy single dies.
Because not one company is best for all.

i did not see your response, sorry.

the best does exist and it`s this:

Type S Bushing Dies - Redding Reloading Equipment: reloading equipment for rifles, handguns, pistols, revolvers and SAECO bullet casting equipment

Reloading equipment for rifles, handguns, pistols, revolvers, custom dies, bullet casting equipment, powder measuring and weighing equipment, bullet seating dies

www.redding-reloading.com

neck die is optional, but i prefer to have it also, as it has its uses, from time to time. it is a set, and then you have bushings of required sizes.

 

[groundscrapers]

There was only one company I saw that is doing a .30 Super

SHOT Show 2024: Avidity Arms PD10 Chambered in 30 Super Carry - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ I really like the Avidity Arms PD10, reviewed HERE, but I must admit that in today’s CCW pistol market many of us have come to expect a higher round count. This is part of why Federal and Avidity Arms have just announced the PD10 chambered in 30 Super Carry...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

I think that was the cheapest way they could get the capacity they needed to be at to be competitive in any way. I remember years ago when that gun was still in prototype form they had a bunch of neat features but since it took so long to bring to market you have had the p365 take the wind out of their sails.

 

[Broc]

1892 Alaskan Takedown Chrome 16" .357MAG

Combines tradition with modern technology creating one of the fastest handling 1892 Lever Action Rifles designed specifically for the hunting market. Features: .44RM, 16" Barrel, over- molded black rubber "Soft Touch" coating, Padded Stock End, Matte Chrome Finish.

www.taylorsfirearms.com

 

[Soundwave]

1892 Alaskan Takedown Chrome 16" .357MAG

Combines tradition with modern technology creating one of the fastest handling 1892 Lever Action Rifles designed specifically for the hunting market. Features: .44RM, 16" Barrel, over- molded black rubber "Soft Touch" coating, Padded Stock End, Matte Chrome Finish.

www.taylorsfirearms.com

I love that except it holds less than my revolver.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

i did not see your response, sorry.

the best does exist and it`s this:

Type S Bushing Dies - Redding Reloading Equipment: reloading equipment for rifles, handguns, pistols, revolvers and SAECO bullet casting equipment

Reloading equipment for rifles, handguns, pistols, revolvers, custom dies, bullet casting equipment, powder measuring and weighing equipment, bullet seating dies

www.redding-reloading.com

Redding is an easy choice when all you have to compare to is Lee dies. Hornady...I don't know. They have come up with some decent stuff too. Hornady expander shapes are better than Reddings. Decapping pin solution is better on Redding's. Hornady hydraulic forming die is very good, too.

 

[Varmint]

Eh, not so sure. They don’t need to be entry level 2011s. There are plenty of “2011”s that cost $5k+ too.

There is a wide spectrum. And Stacatto will always be the original. I would say that Springfield may take some of Stacatto’s LE business with individual officer purchases, but I hear Stacatto gives a significant LE discount. So, who knows.

What kind of LEOs carry Staccatos and where can I sign up?

 

[PappyM3]

What kind of LEOs carry Staccatos and where can I sign up?

I don’t know any agencies that issue them out, but tons authorize them and I’ve seen a number of pictures/body cam footage of them being used. All likely individual purchases.

A quick lookup and apparently there were 250 agencies authorizing their use back in 2020 (mostly for SWAT type units). Now there are over 1,500 agencies authorizing them.

 

[Varmint]

I don’t know any agencies that issue them out, but tons authorize them and I’ve seen a number of pictures/body cam footage of them being used. All likely individual purchases.

A quick lookup and apparently there were 250 agencies authorizing their use back in 2020 (mostly for SWAT type units). Now there are over 1,500 agencies authorizing them.

I was under the impression most LEOs didn’t get to choose their duty weapon. But makes sense for more specialized units.

 

[40 Creedmoor fan]

What kind of LEOs carry Staccatos and where can I sign up?

The list is right there on their website:

Department Sales

At Staccato, we honor the Heroes who put their lives at risk to protect our communities. Hundreds of law enforcement across the country continue to choose Staccato, not only because of the performance of our pistols, but also for the ongoing support they can depend on.

staccato2011.com

 

[M1911]

The list is right there on their website:
View attachment 851992

Department Sales

At Staccato, we honor the Heroes who put their lives at risk to protect our communities. Hundreds of law enforcement across the country continue to choose Staccato, not only because of the performance of our pistols, but also for the ongoing support they can depend on.

staccato2011.com

I have a very, very hard time believing that large departments like the LAPD and the LA County Sheriffs Department are issuing Staccattos to line officers. I suspect it is more likely that either 1) they are issuing to special units or 2) they are authorizing officers to carry their own if they buy it themselves (something that the LAPD has had a long tradition of doing).

 

[Varmint]

The list is right there on their website:
View attachment 851992

Department Sales

At Staccato, we honor the Heroes who put their lives at risk to protect our communities. Hundreds of law enforcement across the country continue to choose Staccato, not only because of the performance of our pistols, but also for the ongoing support they can depend on.

staccato2011.com

Hmm, looks like a list of sketchy workplaces.

 

[Junior314]

I have a very, very hard time believing that large departments like the LAPD and the LA County Sheriffs Department are issuing Staccattos to line officers. I suspect it is more likely that either 1) they are issuing to special units or 2) they are authorizing officers to carry their own if they buy it themselves (something that the LAPD has had a long tradition of doing).

According to Wikipedia...

"As of 2023, the LAPD issues the FN 509 MRD-LE[71][72] and Smith & Wesson M&P to all new officers, alongside a variety of Glock, Kimber, Staccato, or Beretta pistols."

Los Angeles Police Department - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

ETA: Would seem to me it would make sense for everyone to carry the same thing in the event you need to share equipment or malfunctions etc. but what do I know?

 

[M1911]

According to Wikipedia...

"As of 2023, the LAPD issues the FN 509 MRD-LE[71][72] and Smith & Wesson M&P to all new officers, alongside a variety of Glock, Kimber, Staccato, or Beretta pistols."

Los Angeles Police Department - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

ETA: Would seem to me it would make sense for everyone to carry the same thing in the event you need to share equipment or malfunctions etc. but what do I know?

I don’t think that Wikipedia article is accurate. It appears to me that LAPD’s new duty pistol is the FN 509. It won’t surprise me if they let already serving officers continue to carry their existing gun and are not issuing new guns to every officer. LAPD also has a long history of allowing officers to carry their own gun (from an approved list).

 

[Junior314]

I don’t think that Wikipedia article is accurate. It appears to me that LAPD’s new duty pistol is the FN 509. It won’t surprise me if they let already serving officers continue to carry their existing gun and are not issuing new guns to every officer. LAPD also has a long history of allowing officers to carry their own gun (from an approved list).

Isn't that it says in the beginning of the sentence I quoted from Wikipedia?

LAPD issues the FN 509 MRD-LE[71][72]

 

[ddeck]

The list is right there on their website:
View attachment 851992

Department Sales

At Staccato, we honor the Heroes who put their lives at risk to protect our communities. Hundreds of law enforcement across the country continue to choose Staccato, not only because of the performance of our pistols, but also for the ongoing support they can depend on.

staccato2011.com

With a name like Beaver Borough, I’d have thought they wouldn’t need a SWAT team.

Now, the Mississippi Alcoholic Beverage Council? Definitely need Staccatos for that dangerous position

 

[M1911]

Isn't that it says in the beginning of the sentence I quoted from Wikipedia?

LAPD issues the FN 509 MRD-LE[71][72]

That’s not how I read that sentence:

"As of 2023, the LAPD issues the FN 509 MRD-LE[71][72] and Smith & Wesson M&P to all new officers, alongside a variety of Glock, Kimber, Staccato, or Beretta pistols."

That sentence seems to imply that the LAPD currently issues multiple different types of handguns — FN509, S&W M&P, Glock, Kimber, Staccato, and Berreta — to new officers.

I don’t believe that is the true. I believe that the only pistol that the LAPD is currently issuing is the FN 509. I know that the LAPD has allowed officers to carry personally owned guns that are on an approved list. But that is not the same as those guns being issued by the department. Furthermore, I doubt that the LAPD is issuing new FN 509s to all officers in the department. Instead, I suspect that they are allowing officers who have previously been issued a different handgun to continue to carry that handgun. The LAPD issued Beretta 92s for quite a few years.

Now maybe I’m wrong and the LAPD issues multiple different pistols to their line officers. That would seem to be nonsensical as it would complicate training, maintenance, and supply.

Or maybe that sentence is just horribly written.