Stolen guns may be linked to Boston murders (traced to MA FFL)

[LoginName]

It'll probably matter little that the firearms used were stolen, but
no matter what, it's just more negative press to give the antis more fuel to burn us with...

Arlington -
ARLINGTON — Sixteen handguns were stolen from the Arlington Heights gun store on Sunday and two were found at a Boston crime scene this morning.

Police Chief Frederick Ryan said two of the handguns reported stolen from PSMG Gun Co at 10 Park Ave. may have been involved in a murder in Boston on May 15. Arlington Police are working closely with Boston Police and Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis is planning a press conference for this afternoon at 1:30.

“We’ve made a number of decisions surrounding this particular gun dealer. All of our decision have been in the best interest of public safety and we will continue to pursue the matter pursuant to the law,” Ryan said.

Ryan said yesterday the last time PSMG was broken into, many of the handguns were found at Boston crime scenes.

On May 13 around 2 a.m., police dispatch received a call about a burglary of the Park Avenue store. Officer Mike Flynn was around the corner and arrived within a minute to the scene where he found the back door of the shop was forced opened. The police are investigating why the alarm was delayed.

Seven of the handguns were Caspian .45 calibers along with several makes of Colt firearms including .45 calibers, Lawman III .357 magnum, and Agent 380 PL. An AMT .45 was also stolen that night. According to Ryan, no ammunition was taken.

The shop was robbed in September 2005. This February, Arlington Police Chief Fred Ryan revoked gun store owner Paul Giragosian’s license to sell firearms after one of his employee’s shot himself. It was the second such incident in five years at the store. The Arlington Fire Department cited Giragosian’s store with several violations including having flammable and combustible insulation used in the shop’s firing range.

Ryan said his department also tried to remove the firearms from PSMG Gun Co, but Giragosian received a Superior Court injunction from Cambridge.

The Arlington Police Department is also working with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in the investigation.
Giragosian did not return calls seeking comment

http://www.townonline.com/arlington/homepage/x1151568171

 

[JonJ]

Seven of the handguns were Caspian .45 calibers along with several makes of Colt firearms including .45 calibers, Lawman III .357 magnum, and Agent 380 PL. An AMT .45 was also stolen that night. According to Ryan, no ammunition was taken.

Damn! I knew it, the gangbangers are reloading.

 

[csharpdev]

This story makes no sense at all. If the BG's only took guns and no ammo how could these guns have been used in crimes? Afterall you need an LTC to buy handgun ammo... good thing we have these laws to protect us.

 

[clinotus]

Its interesting that minus the .380, the thieves took some quality firearms each in a fair caliber and not the standard Glocks...and the lacking ammo is strange as well. I always wonder where non legal owners get ammo from and thought that a scenerio like this would be it, but I guess not. Its probably only a matter of time until we get some type of ammunition law or micro-stamped ammunition.

Anyhow the article is not that surprising, many of the gun shops around me have steped up their alarm systems, security systems, and paperwork trails. Shops are all on notice here in Massachusetts.

 

[Rusty Barrels]

It's quite possible that he was wrong about no ammunition being taken. Or, can anyone buy ammo in Vermont or other states around here or do you need a license for that, too?

 

[Chris]

Anyone can walk into a shop in any New England state and buy ammo. Might be an age thing, but that's all.

 

[Bruce for NH State Rep]

Anyone can walk into a shop in any New England state and buy ammo. Might be an age thing, but that's all.

It's also a residency thing.

At least at the Epping (NH) Wal-mart.

They will not sell ammo to unlicensed MA residents.

 

[drgrant]

It's also a residency thing.

At least at the Epping (NH) Wal-mart.

They will not sell ammo to unlicensed MA residents.

Of courrse, that's an insane store policy of some sort and has nothing to do
with NH or federal law.

I've bought plenty of ammo at "normal" gun stores in NH and have never
been carded... not even once.

-Mike

 

[Junglerott]

Just another example of how criminals will always find a way to get what they want. Even if gps were installed on every firearm they would find a way around it. Take away guns they use knives....take away knives....screwdrivers......rocks....the list goes on forever.

 

[BONZCNC]

Are you f-ing kidding me????????????

+1 No Shit!

 

[Dirtypacman]

I have walked in and out of stores to buy ammo with out every showing identification.. very bad.

 

[Chris]

Ever notice that the states with almost no gun restrictions seem to have almost no problems?

Or is that old news? (^_^)

 

[csharpdev]

Ever notice that the states with almost no gun restrictions seem to have almost no problems?

Or is that old news? (^_^)

Even if it's true that that's where all the so called "crime" guns are coming from... do they ever stop to wonder why the BG's don't just commit the crimes there and instead come all the way back here to rape, rob, murder etc.

 

[RKG]

Are you f-ing kidding me????????????

I can't wait to get the f$Ck out of here...

Oh yeah, Fred Ryan you're a champ... The people of Alrington are so much safer because of you.... Good job hero.

Actually, Fred Ryan is a good guy and very friendly re: LTCs. As is often the case, there is more to this story than has been released publicly; suggest withholding judgment until the full story comes out.

 

[Admin]

Actually, Fred Ryan is a good guy and very friendly re: LTCs. As is often the case, there is more to this story than has been released publicly; suggest withholding judgment until the full story comes out.

understood.

 

[Erebus]

Its probably only a matter of time until we get some type of ammunition law or micro-stamped ammunition.

Yea because tracing serial numbers on guns always leads to the thief that stole them and murderer that fired them. But you're right they will propose it like it's an answer to prayer and make all kinds of assertions that it will have a dramatic effect on solving crimes. Then it will have no effect at all except to drive up the price of ammo. Then they will want another ridiclous pointless law.

 

[bolt]

haha

I thought all the illegal unregistered scary black guns in MA were from trafficers in the southern states(rolleyes)!!!!!!!

 

[Joe R.]

I have walked in and out of stores to buy ammo with out every showing identification.. very bad.

Not a slap - just wanting to know why this would be bad.

Anywhere else outside of the New England area, the world seems to function as it should, somewhat. I can walk into my old gun hangouts in Maine and they don't ask for ID for ammo and mags. If I was buying a rifle, I would have to let them see the MA. LTC because that is what is expected and legal. A FTF purchase there I might show it to them but I would expect to be asked if they saw the MA drivers license. If I did something stupid with the item after leaving that person, it's my fault, not theirs. You don't punish the intent - you punish the misuse. I don't know how we as a group are gonna change this attitude among the masses...

Joe R. ( needs sleep - this seems okay to me now! )

 

[Dirtypacman]

Not a slap - just wanting to know why this would be bad.

Just my .02 cents but if the person is not qualified to purchase said product then they should not be allowed to.

Simple comparison:

19 yr old buys beer from liquor store that does not card - Said 19 year old has too many drinks and takes your son/daughter out for a ride and ends up in a fatal accident due to drunk driving... is it the stores fault, not entirely, but they have responsibility in the outcome in my opinion ONLY IF THEY DID NOT CARD IN THE 1ST Place.

 

[csharpdev]

Just my .02 cents but if the person is not qualified to purchase said product then they should not be allowed to.

Simple comparison:

19 yr old buys beer from liquor store that does not card - Said 19 year old has too many drinks and takes your son/daughter out for a ride and ends up in a fatal accident due to drunk driving... is it the stores fault, not entirely, but they have responsibility in the outcome in my opinion ONLY IF THEY DID NOT CARD IN THE 1ST Place.

Compared to countries with little to no regulations on the sale of alcohol (like most of Europe) where children grow up with access to alcohol, drink it with dinner, can walk into a store before they can reach the top of the counter and buy it.... yet they don't have the drunk driving and teenage drinking problems that we do here? Could it be the taboo we've created for it in this country?

 

[Dirtypacman]

Certainly don't want to turn this into a Prohibition thread as I think you should be able to buy/drink alcohol at 18 years old.

Just more common sense is what I expect - I would figure any dealer of arms or ammunition would want to take the proper steps to verify any transaction... if they are not then its wrong and bad for the overall shooting community.

 

[pipmaster1971]

Compared to countries with little to no regulations on the sale of alcohol (like most of Europe) where children grow up with access to alcohol, drink it with dinner, can walk into a store before they can reach the top of the counter and buy it.... yet they don't have the drunk driving and teenage drinking problems that we do here? Could it be the taboo we've created for it in this country?

Well actually you've hit the proverbial nail on the head with that statement when you replace alcohol with firearms. In parts of the country where guns are a normal part of life, used for hunting, recreation etc. there are rarely issues with gun violence. In parts of the country where they are not a normal part of life you see a whole bunch of problems with gun violence, and stupid laws passed to restrict ownership.

 

[Jay G]

Just my .02 cents but if the person is not qualified to purchase said product then they should not be allowed to.

Simple comparison:

19 yr old buys beer from liquor store that does not card - Said 19 year old has too many drinks and takes your son/daughter out for a ride and ends up in a fatal accident due to drunk driving... is it the stores fault, not entirely, but they have responsibility in the outcome in my opinion ONLY IF THEY DID NOT CARD IN THE 1ST Place.

Except that minimum age to buy alcohol is the same across state lines, whereas the purchase of ammunition is not regulated the same.

If you are "of age" to buy ammo in, say, NH, it is COMPLETELY legal to buy it without any permit whatsoever - as no permit is needed to own ammunition in NH. Taking it across the border puts YOU in jeopardy *if* you are unlicensed, but that is neither the responsibility nor the fault of the ammo retailer.

MA mindset at work (please, no offense meant).

 

[dwarven1]

Just more common sense is what I expect - I would figure any dealer of arms or ammunition would want to take the proper steps to verify any transaction... if they are not then its wrong and bad for the overall shooting community.

And, all unknowing, another "conservative" gun owner buys into the liberal, nanny-state mantra of "Mother, may I?"

Say it with me, DPM - The dealer is NOT responsible for what the purchaser does with the gun/ammo/bottle of beer.

Seriously... think about it. Should the auto dealer check to see if the purchaser KNOWS how to drive a car? (OK, bad comparison as the DL is supposed to mean that the purchaser DOES know how to drive.) How about the purchaser of a circular saw? Does Sears need to check to see if he's got a License to Saw? What if the purchaser uses it to cut off his mothers head and then tries to commit suicide by cutting off his own head? Is Sears liable in this case?

If not... then why should Four Seasons be liable if you go juramentado with your new M&P .45 and the box of ammo you bought there and kill a bus full of nuns and schoolchildren?

It's only "common sense" if you're trying to exert state control over guns and ammunition.

 

[csharpdev]

It's quite simple... a Socialist totalitarian oppresive police state doesn't work with armed freedom loving citizens. Common sense tell you if you want this plan to be succesful you better have gun control... hense the "common sense" gun laws.

Circular saws and automobiles are not considered as high of a threat.

 

[kevin9]

Circular saws and automobiles are not considered as high of a threat.

Yet

 

[dwarven1]

Circular saws and automobiles are not considered as high of a threat.

Really? I guess that would be why there are concrete barriers in front of courthouses and state houses?

 

[Dirtypacman]

Say it with me, DPM - The dealer is NOT responsible for what the purchaser does with the gun/ammo/bottle of beer.

The dealer is NOT responsible for what the purchaser does with the gun/ammo/bottle of beer.

I said it and understand it

I agree with the majority of comments that have been made and take no offense to how people take my opinion as its just that an opinion.

 

[csharpdev]

Really? I guess that would be why there are concrete barriers in front of courthouses and state houses?

That would be like installing bullet proof glass in those buildings...

If all they did was install bullet proof glass and left our 2nd ammendment rights alone I think we'd all be happy.

 

[TomH]

They couldn't have been stolen, theres laws against that!!