Texas is pro gun but……

Illegal to carry a gun in a bar in FL

Restaurants are OK, Bars and bar areas of restaurants are not.

also no open carry in FL either and a 3 day waiting period if you are not licensed.

so no guns in
  1. Any place of nuisance (a place of nuisance, is a place where there is illegal activity such as gambling or prostitution.)
  2. Any police, sheriff or highway patrol station
  3. Any detention facility, prison or jail
  4. Any courthouse
  5. Any courtroom
  6. Any polling place
  7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality or special district.
  8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a legislative committee
  9. Any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms
  10. Any school administration building
  11. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption
  12. An elementary or secondary school facility
  13. Any area technical center
  14. Any college or university facility
  15. Inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport
  16. Any place where carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
 
Yea private private property

Your business your rules …unless you don’t like the Alphabet crew, don’t want to spend the money for the handicap , and don’t like any one who looks different from you (unless they are white)
 
Sf Becket said:
It’s just surprising to see so many GFZs in Texas.
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when shit gets real - no one wants rights and freedoms.
as freedom means you need to be strong and need to be able to protect yourself and your loved ones, from other free ones.
it is always easier to outsource this burden.
 
I’ve forgot which state I was in, but I walked into a restaurant with my side arm open carry, and there is no signage or anything, but they told me I can’t do that and I was like this isn’t a bar. The manager told me that since I was sitting at the bar, it was an issue. He thought he offered to hold it for me so f***ing I gave it to him got it back no big deal. I don’t think he was technically correct about that. I wasn’t consuming any alcohol.. I was gonna try to find a booth, but the problem was the place was full. There was nowhere else to sit.


Or something like that, the guy was cool about it, but it was like just weird, other people came in and the same thing happened so I guess maybe that’s just their policy who knows

For some reason, I think they might’ve had like a locker or something to store when firearms f***ing bizarre so I guess it’s pretty common occurrence. I don’t know. I was only there about 25 minutes.
 
I think I might be merging two stories together. It’s been so long cause it was this place I went to and it was a restaurant, but they had like lockers like you see bus station I guess and they requested that you put your farm in there but at least you got your own key or something like that it was free, but it was f***ing weird.

Like gun control in general I was like one sense is that they couldn’t I just go get my gun and start shooting the place up?
 
appraiser said:
Illegal to carry a gun in a bar in FL

Restaurants are OK, Bars and bar areas of restaurants are not.

also no open carry in FL either and a 3 day waiting period if you are not licensed.

so no guns in
  1. Any place of nuisance (a place of nuisance, is a place where there is illegal activity such as gambling or prostitution.)
  2. Any police, sheriff or highway patrol station
  3. Any detention facility, prison or jail
  4. Any courthouse
  5. Any courtroom
  6. Any polling place
  7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality or special district.
  8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a legislative committee
  9. Any school, college or professional athletic event not related to firearms
  10. Any school administration building
  11. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption
  12. An elementary or secondary school facility
  13. Any area technical center
  14. Any college or university facility
  15. Inside the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport
  16. Any place where carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law
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Yeah, no thanks.... doesnt look like the gun shine state to me. I'll stay in NH and endure the winters.
 
Texas has never been pro-gun. Texans just like puffing up their image that way, because people assume it's true.

From 1875 until January 1, 1996, it was illegal to have a handgun "on or about your person" in Texas. Period. Open, concealed, in a case or bag, whatever. There were some exceptions, like being en route to a "sporting activity" that "normally requires use of a handgun". There was the infamous "on a journey" exception, which had no statutory or statewide case law definition.

Enforcement was all over the place, because the vagueness was intentional. "Those people" got busted when "the right people" wouldn't. It took equal enforcement of the law (or the perceived risk of equal enforcement) for Texas to finally legalize any carry at all.
 
Yea private private property
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Some states like TX have a special carveout making it a crime to violate a no guns sign, but not violate another term (like entering certain snooty establishements without a jacked and tie). TX has modified the law over the years. Originally it was not covered, until someone had the creative idea of calling a sign violation "armed criminal trespass". So, TX changed it to a separate offense. I believe leaving peacefully when asked is not considered a valid defense to the crime of sign violation.

MN (last I checked) had a max $25 fine for sign violation, with a specific prohibtition on forfeiture of the gun as part of the sentence.
But those non compliant signs provide ample evidence of the attitude down there. I don’t see any thing like that up here
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I have seen one such sign that even cites a MA law - which is just the trespass statute. The sign is at the base of the business entrance. Not mentioning the details since I'm afraid of falling into the trap of bringing attention to this that could cause unwelcome pushback.
 
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Very similar at to mass law, except the constitutional carry law of 2021 makes it obsolete. If the business makes 51% or more in alcohol sales, no go. What’s mass, 50%? Similar laws, just posted in Texas… I have no LTC, I carry in Texas daily
 
Sf Becket said:
It’s just surprising to see so many GFZs in Texas.
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In general, the more recent the unimportand and unconnected have been allowed to carry, the more GFZsw. When MI when from may to shall issue, GFZs were added along with shall issue. The "lucky ones" who had the may issue permits had their rights reduced.
 
granitestater said:
Yeah, no thanks.... doesnt look like the gun shine state to me. I'll stay in NH and endure the winters.
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God. Coming from MA. FL has quirks but gmfb.

There arent gunbuster signs down here anywhere. Yes you cant OC but its not a big deal to me. I never did it anyway.

Everyone I know has guns in there cars/trucks/houses. Full NFA state here. We can have supressors etc.

I go to restaurants all the time in shorts with a glock 17 under my t shirt. I dont drink or sit at the bar. Nor would I do that up in NH either. Common sense as far as that goes.

3 day waiting period is gay but get your cwp which takes 10 days and your gtg and that goes away. its good for 10 years or something and reciprocal with a lot of states.
 
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Reptile said:
For the important reasons, Massachusetts has better carry laws than Texas does.

I’d rather carry where I want than live in Texas.
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I’m not sure how Texas and Mass differ, I’m still trying to figure it out honestly. But I do know I won’t get raped on a Noveske lower 😉
 
It really depends on where you are. Even in Austin, they are pretty uncommon. I think the fine is something like $50.00 and people I know say it's routinely ignored.
Places in Texas you specifically can't carry in are courthouses, Sheriff's stations, police stations, and hospitals. Interestingly, you can carry on the property of state or other government run colleges. You can carry on school property, but not inside the schools themselves.

Despite the big deal about it, Open Carry isn't very common. I've seen two people open carrying and one of them was a Texas Ranger (not a baseball player).
 
granitestater said:
Correct!

But those non compliant signs provide ample evidence of the attitude down there. I don’t see any thing like that up here
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That's because there's no real binding signage (well, outside of government buildings and schools) vehicle in "old gun states" which believe it or not, MA is one of.

There's also some laws WRT the booze places that require that signage to be posted (the 51% bullshit) so if a vendor didnt post, they'd be in violation. That's not necessarily a desire of the vendor.

30.06 is a whole other story. Conhugeo fag places like malls and hospitals post a lot, other places not so much.
 
A flip side is that violation of things like a TX 30.06 sign is a trivial offense (absent any other criminal action) and, unlike MA, a low level violation involving firearms or ammo does not create lifetime state level prohibition, and the concept of misdafelony is pretty much non-existant.

Interestingly though, it a TX 30.06 violation is a state level violation within MA. Since leaving when told is a defense, I think you would have to cop some serious attitude to get convicted on that.

That's because there's no real binding signage (well, outside of government buildings and schools) vehicle in "old gun states" which believe it or not, MA is one of.
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That is not binding signage, as the signs you refer to do not create any prohibition that is not already present absent the sign.
 
Reptile said:
For the important reasons, Massachusetts has better carry laws than Texas does.

I’d rather carry where I want than live in Texas.
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Not sure if serious.

There's 2000 excuses they can use to take your guns away here. In TX they literally
dont exist... you actually have to, you know, commit something resembling a crime. [rofl]

Shitting pants over PC 30.06 is silly.
 
Rob Boudrie said:
A flip side is that violation of things like a TX 30.06 sign is a trivial offense (absent any other criminal action) and, unlike MA, a low level violation involving firearms or ammo does not create lifetime state level prohibition, and the concept of misdafelony is pretty much non-existant.

Interestingly though, it a TX 30.06 violation is a state level violation within MA. Since leaving when told is a defense, I think you would have to cop some serious attitude to get convicted on that.


That is not binding signage, as the signs you refer to do not create any prohibition that is not already present absent the sign.
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I get the pedantry here, but what I should have said was "signs that effectively reflect actual
law" and I agree that "binding signage" as a concept is usually a separate blob of laws but
the idea is the same, although most places with binding signage is a misdemeanor, in MA violating those prohibited areas is probably some kind of a felony (well, at least 269-10J is)
 
Mark from ? said:
Really….MA has such better gun laws. Really.

Go get your new ARs, standard cap mags NFA shit and supressors, and off list pistols.

Oh…you cant. GMAFB.
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That's probably the poorest set of reasoning for the difference between the two states. [rofl]

The most substantial thing is you don't need permission to just own guns in TX. You can just go buy them if you're not a criminal. Like a loaf of bread or bottle of booze with some extra paperwork.
 

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