Texas is pro gun but……

[mac1911]

No they shouldn't! This was settled over 60 years ago with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It is unlawful to keep out blacks, Jews, Hispanics etc. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected civil right. A private business, open to the public is NOT the same as a private residence or office where entry is by invitation only.

Civil Rights Act (1964)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

Well where is the ACLU on this one , lol
Or for gun laws in general

 

[Bigfudge16]

No they shouldn't! This was settled over 60 years ago with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It is unlawful to keep out blacks, Jews, Hispanics etc. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected civil right. A private business, open to the public is NOT the same as a private residence or office where entry is by invitation only.

Civil Rights Act (1964)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

Its been settled for quite some time but i still disagree with it. Business owners should be able to set rules in their own establishments.

If you dont like guns, ban gun owners
if you dont like jews, ban jews
if you dont like gay wedding cakes, refuse to make them

let the public decide whether these businesses continue to operate by means of dollars

 

[Mark from ?]

Sounds gay. I was drunk at a bar today with a pistol on my waist. Glad I wasn't in FL.

Your cool.......Im sure its done down here all the time too with CC.

I follow my Dad's teaching and pretty much every other teaching that guns and booze don't mix well.

The problem comes when you have to use it....in any state........you think in MA if your drunk with a pistol and use it they aren't going to absolutely screw you?

Ill argue they find you drunk at a bar with a pistol on your hip even if you don't use it.....MA cops will think of something I'm sure......

Good luck with that.....

 

[granitestater]

Its been settled for quite some time but i still disagree with it. Business owners should be able to set rules in their own establishments.

If you dont like guns, ban gun owners
if you dont like jews, ban jews
if you dont like gay wedding cakes, refuse to make them

let the public decide whether these businesses continue to operate by means of dollars

Admission into a place that is open to the public is different than baking a gay wedding cake. Baking a cake requires something to be done -- it is active. Admission to a place is passive.

It sounds good in theory, to "let the public decide whether these businesses continue to operate by means of dollars"

but the reality is boycotts don't work. Look at the states (mostly in the southeast) that have binding signage; I have not seen very many restaurants or retail stores go out of business because they put up no guns allowed signs. People either ignore the signs or leave guns in cars. Neither is a good idea. Your gun is safer on your person.

Look at Disney, (and Florida does not have a binding signage law) they banned guns for years even though the Reedy Creek Improvement District (which controlled all disney land) was a local unit of government with its own fire dept and LE authority that was contracted to the Orange County Sheriff.

Gov. DeSantis targets Reedy Creek. 10 things to know about the Disney-run tax district

Reedy Creek: The Facts You Need in 2024 - Disney in Florida

No one cared until they disagreed with the despotic Gov. DeSantis on homo sexual education it was only then that he clamped down on Disney's special exceptions in Florida law and changes were made. Gun owners went to Disney and left guns in cars -- not nearly enough people cared to make a difference. And Florida politicians even one who claimed to support second amendment rights ignored the blatent violation of the pre emption law by a unit of government.

 

[Garys]

That's not how or why the Civil Rights Act works. It's in fact a pretty dumb take.

No they shouldn't! This was settled over 60 years ago with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. It is unlawful to keep out blacks, Jews, Hispanics etc. The right to bear arms is a constitutionally protected civil right. A private business, open to the public is NOT the same as a private residence or office where entry is by invitation only.

Civil Rights Act (1964)

Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Wikipedia

 

[Admin]

I'm forced to go to Texas a couple of times a year for work. It seems the signs are everywhere. Not compliant as explained above so I carry, but they are there and that tells me it is one big anti gun state.

Where in TX?

 

[Admin]

Its been settled for quite some time but i still disagree with it. Business owners should be able to set rules in their own establishments.

If you dont like guns, ban gun owners
if you dont like jews, ban jews
if you dont like gay wedding cakes, refuse to make them

let the public decide whether these businesses continue to operate by means of dollars

100% agree.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

Your cool.......Im sure its done down here all the time too with CC.

I follow my Dad's teaching and pretty much every other teaching that guns and booze don't mix well.

The problem comes when you have to use it....in any state........you think in MA if your drunk with a pistol and use it they aren't going to absolutely screw you?

Ill argue they find you drunk at a bar with a pistol on your hip even if you don't use it.....MA cops will think of something I'm sure......

Good luck with that.....

Sounds gay. Glad I wasn't in MA either.

 

[Bigfudge16]

Admission into a place that is open to the public is different than baking a gay wedding cake. Baking a cake requires something to be done -- it is active. Admission to a place is passive.

It sounds good in theory, to "let the public decide whether these businesses continue to operate by means of dollars"

but the reality is boycotts don't work. Look at the states (mostly in the southeast) that have binding signage; I have not seen very many restaurants or retail stores go out of business because they put up no guns allowed signs. People either ignore the signs or leave guns in cars. Neither is a good idea. Your gun is safer on your person.

Look at Disney, (and Florida does not have a binding signage law) they banned guns for years even though the Reedy Creek Improvement District (which controlled all disney land) was a local unit of government with its own fire dept and LE authority that was contracted to the Orange County Sheriff.

Gov. DeSantis targets Reedy Creek. 10 things to know about the Disney-run tax district

Reedy Creek: The Facts You Need in 2024 - Disney in Florida

No one cared until they disagreed with the despotic Gov. DeSantis on homo sexual education it was only then that he clamped down on Disney's special exceptions in Florida law and changes were made. Gun owners went to Disney and left guns in cars -- not nearly enough people cared to make a difference. And Florida politicians even one who claimed to support second amendment rights ignored the blatent violation of the pre emption law by a unit of government.

Fine, ban gays in general. Im just trying to connect my opinion to a situation people are familiar with.

Boycotts work when enough people feel strongly enough to follow through. If people don't care enough to inconvenience themselves then that shows how the public feels.

The sad fact is that guns are generally viewed by the uninformed public as dangerous and inherently bad. As strongly as we all feel about supporting them the fact is most Americans could care less and view us as second class. I was blown away by the amount of people getting verbal on social networking about the plymouth police chief trying to carve out an exception allowing lawful gun owners to carry weapons in town hall. Apparently the uninformed were not aware that that was fully legal until oct 2024. I was even more blown away to see the backlash at Budweiser and their LGBTQ stance which seemed to deal enough damage to get Bud to move off of that stance.

Anyways im rambling. I still stand by my opinion of let business owners do what they want with their own property and let public opinion decide whether they survive.

 

[RankAmateur]

I'm forced to go to Texas a couple of times a year for work. It seems the signs are everywhere. Not compliant as explained above so I carry, but they are there and that tells me it is one big anti gun state.

Stats taught in LTC classes down here indicate that 1 in 3 people in TX are carrying every day. Practical considerations of 30.06 are that entry with a proper written posting is a class C misdemeanor with max penalty of $200…but…someone has to charge you with that misdemeanor. The offense is upgraded to Class A IF the concealed carry licensee fails to leave the premises when the business owner (or someone authorized to act for the business) ASKS you to leave. So, the concealed carrier first has to have their weapon detected (concealed means concealed), and then the business employee needs to ask them to leave. This “confrontation” is pretty rare here, and if/when it happens the carrier usually just says “OK” and leaves, no harm, no foul.

 

[Mark from ?]

Sounds gay. Glad I wasn't in MA either.

Ill agree....... Im gay for not carrying drunk, your state must be extra special if it recommends that practice.

 

[granitestater]

Where in TX?

Houston and as I said in another post. Many signs are non compliant but it shows the anti gun attitude down there.

 

[granitestater]

Stats taught in LTC classes down here indicate that 1 in 3 people in TX are carrying every day. Practical considerations of 30.06 are that entry with a proper written posting is a class C misdemeanor with max penalty of $200…but…someone has to charge you with that misdemeanor. The offense is upgraded to Class A IF the concealed carry licensee fails to leave the premises when the business owner (or someone authorized to act for the business) ASKS you to leave. So, the concealed carrier first has to have their weapon detected (concealed means concealed), and then the business employee needs to ask them to leave. This “confrontation” is pretty rare here, and if/when it happens the carrier usually just says “OK” and leaves, no harm, no foul.

It’s all anti gun bs that is not here in NH.

 

[RankAmateur]

It’s all anti gun bs that is not here in NH.

Not arguing, but the “anti-gun” attitude entirely depends on where you are in the state. Big cities, especially Austin, Houston, and Dallas, reflect firearms and political attitudes much like those I’ve experienced in Boston, San Francisco, New York. Outside the cities, the attitudes are generally completely different. Again, not arguing, but I experienced some of the same anti-gun attitude BS in Portsmouth and Concord.

 

[Bob P]

I’ve forgot which state I was in, but I walked into a restaurant with my side arm open carry, and there is no signage or anything, but they told me I can’t do that and I was like this isn’t a bar. The manager told me that since I was sitting at the bar, it was an issue. He thought he offered to hold it for me so f***ing I gave it to him got it back no big deal. I don’t think he was technically correct about that. I wasn’t consuming any alcohol.. I was gonna try to find a booth, but the problem was the place was full. There was nowhere else to sit.


Or something like that, the guy was cool about it, but it was like just weird, other people came in and the same thing happened so I guess maybe that’s just their policy who knows

For some reason, I think they might’ve had like a locker or something to store when firearms f***ing bizarre so I guess it’s pretty common occurrence. I don’t know. I was only there about 25 minutes.

For Texas (op state) he was correct. You can’t sit at the bar if you’re carrying. You can’t carry in an establishment that makes more than 51% of its income from the sale of alcohol and you can’t carry if you’ve had any alcohol at all to drink.

 

[Bob P]

A flip side is that violation of things like a TX 30.06 sign is a trivial offense (absent any other criminal action) and, unlike MA, a low level violation involving firearms or ammo does not create lifetime state level prohibition, and the concept of misdafelony is pretty much non-existant.

Interestingly though, it a TX 30.06 violation is a state level violation within MA. Since leaving when told is a defense, I think you would have to cop some serious attitude to get convicted on that.


That is not binding signage, as the signs you refer to do not create any prohibition that is not already present absent the sign.

What Rob said. A 30-06 violation is a misdemeanor and it’s ONLY if you refuse to leave after they’ve asked you to. Aside from actual shooting someone, the only crime involving a firearm I’ve seen since moving here was an add on charge for a guy carrying while drunk. I say add on as he was arrested for vehicular manslaughter after running a red light and killing a mother of 4.

 

[Bob P]

For the important reasons, Massachusetts has better carry laws than Texas does.

I’d rather carry where I want than live in Texas.

And we’d rather you carry where you want than you live in Texas too. ☺

 

[Rob Boudrie]

No one cared until they disagreed with the despotic Gov. DeSantis on homo sexual education it was only then that he clamped down on Disney's special exceptions in Florida law and changes were made. Gun owners went to Disney and left guns in cars -- not nearly enough people cared to make a difference. And Florida politicians even one who claimed to support second amendment rights ignored the blatent violation of the pre emption law by a unit of government.

I don;t know how it worked out, but Disney tried to have the FL allowing explosives users to ban guns on company property based on their fireworks displays.

 

[Admin]

And we’d rather you carry where you want than you live in Texas too. ☺

You dont want $500 noveske lowers in Texas? Or a "What will the king allow me to have list?"

 

[MGnoob]

You handed over your firearm to someone?

I carry two

 

[MGnoob]

I believe one of these two locations was Scottsdale Arizona. They got some kind of fancy gun club.

I don’t care for the people I prefer the desert

 

[zork51]

Texas has never been pro-gun. Texans just like puffing up their image that way, because people assume it's true.

From 1875 until January 1, 1996, it was illegal to have a handgun "on or about your person" in Texas. Period. Open, concealed, in a case or bag, whatever. There were some exceptions, like being en route to a "sporting activity" that "normally requires use of a handgun". There was the infamous "on a journey" exception, which had no statutory or statewide case law definition.

Enforcement was all over the place, because the vagueness was intentional. "Those people" got busted when "the right people" wouldn't. It took equal enforcement of the law (or the perceived risk of equal enforcement) for Texas to finally legalize any carry at all.

Not that I'm planning on it, but........I was talking with someone recently who said that anyone getting the 26 state license to carry will run into problems in Texas. He claimed you have to produce documentation that you will be MOVING INTO Texas within 6 months to have 2A rights there. True or False? Crackpot / anyone?

 

[zork51]

Texas… The state that blessed us with Jasmine Crockett, Beta O’Rourke and Danielle Crenshaw

Uh, we have quite a lineup (literally) here in the PROM of "All Stars". We're in no position to poke fun at others. Or course I agree watching different stories about pols in US states on YT, I think HTF did these people get elected? Ours too of course. It's "he who counts the votes".

 

[Garys]

False.

Not that I'm planning on it, but........I was talking with someone recently who said that anyone getting the 26 state license to carry will run into problems in Texas. He claimed you have to produce documentation that you will be MOVING INTO Texas within 6 months to have 2A rights there. True or False? Crackpot / anyone?

 

[Garys]

I've seen a couple of 51% signs in the bar part of restaurant, but no sign at the entrance. I could order a beer at my table in the dining room, but couldn't sit at the bar and drink. Whether that's the actual law or an over cautious owner I don't know.

BTW, do you know about Texas3006.com - Your 30.06 & 30.07 Information Resource

For Texas (op state) he was correct. You can’t sit at the bar if you’re carrying. You can’t carry in an establishment that makes more than 51% of its income from the sale of alcohol and you can’t carry if you’ve had any alcohol at all to drink.

 

[Garys]

They can also verbally inform you, even if they don't have a sign.

Since I have a LTC, I don't worry about places you can't carry without one. It's cheap and easy to take the course. Where I took it, they gave us breakfast tacos, did the classroom stuff, then did the fingerprints right there. Then out to the "range" for a ridiculously easy range test. Think Boston, but even easier.

What "them" don't you see?

This thread is full of confusion about binding signage in Texas. There's the 30.06/30.07 signs that must have the required language in both English and Spanish in block letters at least 1" high. There's the 51% sign, which only applies in "bars" as determined by TABC, and most jurisdictions in Texas don't allow 51% bars.

And there are places and circumstances where the TX version of "constitutional carry" doesn't apply unless you have the state permission slip.

It's a confusing mess.

 

[zork51]

False.

TY

 

[Garys]

Sure, not gun friendly.

Anne Richards vetoed concealed carry when she was Governor, but G.W. Bush signed it when the legislature passed it.

Since then MA has regressed, actually it was regressing. Actually before that as MA had it's version of the AWB in place in case the federal government repealed there. High capacity magazine bans passed shortly after.

Firearms Roster and AG "approved list."

Long guns must be locked up in vehicles.

All guns must be locked up at home if not on the person.

Ammunition has to be locked up.

Need a permit for more than a certain amount of ammunition.

State Machine Gun License, but only if the Police Chief feels like it.

Silencers verboten.

All FTF sales must be registered in the portal.

LTC or FID required for mere possession.

Stun Gun requires a LTC.

No Right to Self Defense.

Open carry not illegal per se, but can be used as a suitability criteria.

As to NH, look to your west at Vermont. Everything they do will be coming down Route 89 faster than you can believe.

Texas has never been pro-gun. Texans just like puffing up their image that way, because people assume it's true.

From 1875 until January 1, 1996, it was illegal to have a handgun "on or about your person" in Texas. Period. Open, concealed, in a case or bag, whatever. There were some exceptions, like being en route to a "sporting activity" that "normally requires use of a handgun". There was the infamous "on a journey" exception, which had no statutory or statewide case law definition.

Enforcement was all over the place, because the vagueness was intentional. "Those people" got busted when "the right people" wouldn't. It took equal enforcement of the law (or the perceived risk of equal enforcement) for Texas to finally legalize any carry at all.

 

[Bob P]

Not that I'm planning on it, but........I was talking with someone recently who said that anyone getting the 26 state license to carry will run into problems in Texas. He claimed you have to produce documentation that you will be MOVING INTO Texas within 6 months to have 2A rights there. True or False? Crackpot / anyone?

False. TX is Constitutional Carry since 2021. I have a license for the reciprocity when I travel. I spend a lot of time in SC.

 

[Garys]

Are you sure you're not me? I got mine in part because it allows me to carry in SC. As you probably know, you can only get a non resident permit there if you live in a contiguous state or own property in SC.

My son and his family live just across the line from Charlotte, NC. It used to be a PITA to bring a gun there because what was the point if I couldn't carry. Constitutional Carry is legal there, but it's like Texas where having a LTC allows you to carry places you can't without a license.

False. TX is Constitutional Carry since 2021. I have a license for the reciprocity when I travel. I spend a lot of time in SC.