The Knife Attack On The Ground

[Mr Weebles]

I've found the best way to win a knife attack on the ground is to not get into a knife fight on the ground.

Shooting someone beforehand is much more effective ... preferably shooting them in the face.

 

[jmjkd]

Set it up, dude. I'll come down. I'm always up for a good call out challenge.

Timber, that's AWESOME!!! What is your availability? I train everyday/night so we just need to pick a time. I don't know where you live?

Timber, I'm glad you stepped up. I read you have already been biking and getting your legs prepared for your trip and your still in your 30's. That is great and you are doing it right.. You are doing your PT and what goes with that is you are training your mind to withstand resistance and keep going. And bro you are WILLING to test, and now you are willing to come down and test your self defense where as no one else would. That is the fabric of a survivor. I look forward to working with you.

For scheduling? is talking out here ok” or would you prefer PM?

 

[jakes01234]

Where do i go to watch this?
Tickets on sale?

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[jmjkd]

Where do i go to watch this?
Tickets on sale?

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

You don't need a ticket to see how we train, we train the same, day in and day out. Having someone come down is no big deal.

Here is a typical training day, but these middle weights are more Timbers age I don't know his size but we do have heavy weights 300+ that train in the same realistic manner.
Please watch this training session and remember, it's not about challenging others, it's about challenging yourself, putting yourself in the fire and testing before the real thing happens.

Both these guys are friends, one is an electrician , the other a prison guard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfzRvphIS4U

 

[Cap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KwMK78idpA

 

[Supermoto]

Timber, if you are interested in self defense that will also get you in shape, take a look at Krav. Its easy, quick and effective. One of the skills they teach is defending against a knife. I paired it up with Serrada Escrima (stick/knife fighting). Both taught you to fight to survive. Fight dirty and get out

 

[Bill Nance]

Strategy 1: don't be so unaware of your surroundings that you are EVER surprised by a knife.

Strategy 2: Someone pulls a knife? RUN AWAY

Strategy 3: Be aware enough of you surroundings that when he pulls a knife, you pull a gun and put two rounds in his thoracic cavity.

I have nothing nice to say about this kind of mall-ninja BS.

Edged defense is a very advanced topic suitable to those who have any reason to confront an edged offense with anything other than an immediate lethal self-defense (cops and perhaps security guards, that's IT.)

Unlike the idiot who posted the OP, I've actually BEEN in a knife fight, unarmed. Bad idea. VERY bad idea.

This is why I am never unarmed. You pull a knife, at most you're getting some superficial hits on my raised outside forearm. You, on the other hand are getting several centerfire wounds to the thoracic or ocular cavity.

My first option is to RUN LIKE HELL.

The notion of confronting and overcoming a knife-wielding opponent at close range is something I will avoid at all costs. Training for this extremely unlikely scenario by practicing ground evasion techniques is BS. I have the scars to prove my knife-fighting experience. The OP has Bupkis AFAIC.

Move this to the Mall Ninja forum where it belongs.

 

[MisterHappy]

Bill,

I agree that fighting v. a pig-sticker is a very unlikely scenario....but people "prep" for zombies, EMPs and TEOTWAKI ....why not for a p!ssed-off Crocodile Dundee?

 

[jmjkd]

Hey Joe-

I mean this with the utmost respect, so don't take it out of context. When you said no one would train with you, I thought you would be teaching some kind of MMA / street style fighting based on your expertise in hand to hand survival skills.

If the video you posted is an example of what you're talking about, then no thanks. I'm at a point in my life where it doesn't really make a lot of sense to do suicides, run hills with a weight vest, and then break my buddy's nose while some dude blows a whistle and hollers at me. That's more like Jr. Pee Wees, and if I feel like running around and grappling then there'll be Roman candles and a handle of Jack involved.

If you're talking about setting up something like you demonstrate in this video for people to learn, then I'm definitely in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYKf7gd-XIE&feature=relmfu

I'm always up for a challenge, and always looking to learn something new. I don't know anything about MMA style fighting except for the fact that it's another stylized form of serious physical competition in which both combatants expect to live through the contest. It's not "survival" fighting, or "combat" in the sense that you're going to end the fight immediately in a way which most likely results in someone's death.

So I'm not walking away from your challenge to train if you want to set up something involving technique / technical skills that I can learn from. Early September is probably best for me. I'm pretty tied up for all of July and August with work stuff.

And if you really have the idea that I'll come down and run around in a vest and then fight one of your dudes on video, then I'd have to put it off until probably November at the earliest. That way I can change up my own personal fitness regimen to start putting on mass instead of stripping it off like I've been doing.

Personally, I'd want to toss on 30lbs or so before mixing it up the way they do, and it would take me that long to do it with my current schedule.

Yo Timber, I'm 55 years old and as you said I have a BEER bellyin addition too have been on steroids because of a detached retina from fighting, so a bit out of shape, so I know where you are coming from.

I started as a bright eyed white belt back in the 60's and came out the other side as a tired beat-up bloody belt. Today I teach peaceful middle aged folk like the little 50 year old lady from Weston who is a teacher and painter, to the average guy with 3 kids, even kids, when their Parent's specifically want me and not the Mcdojo. None want to train the way the guys did in those vids, I know this, so the program for them is different.

I am a specialist meaning I design custom programs for their needs. So we can go from 0-100. and anything in between. So for you, we can design a program for your age, injuries, mind set, job, activities, ect. Without the beat downs.

You like to hike, a well balance H2H program with an improvised weapon concept would be good. This way you can protect yourself, without the horror of stabbing someone or shooting someone, but still have the knowledge to improvise. Maybe your treking pole, or a flashlight will be used just in case it went bad. Of course this would be learned in a way that would be safe but still had the energy and stimulus of the real thing, without going to work the next day with black eyes.

Timber you don't have to wait to come train but do what you feel is best, you will loss weight have a ball, laugh and still feel a sense of security and true confidence in what really does work, for you.
It's all about you.

 

[jmjkd]

Strategy 1: don't be so unaware of your surroundings that you are EVER surprised by a knife.

Strategy 2: Someone pulls a knife? RUN AWAY

Strategy 3: Be aware enough of you surroundings that when he pulls a knife, you pull a gun and put two rounds in his thoracic cavity.

I have nothing nice to say about this kind of mall-ninja BS.

Edged defense is a very advanced topic suitable to those who have any reason to confront an edged offense with anything other than an immediate lethal self-defense (cops and perhaps security guards, that's IT.)

Unlike the idiot who posted the OP, I've actually BEEN in a knife fight, unarmed. Bad idea. VERY bad idea.

This is why I am never unarmed. You pull a knife, at most you're getting some superficial hits on my raised outside forearm. You, on the other hand are getting several centerfire wounds to the thoracic or ocular cavity.

My first option is to RUN LIKE HELL.

The notion of confronting and overcoming a knife-wielding opponent at close range is something I will avoid at all costs. Training for this extremely unlikely scenario by practicing ground evasion techniques is BS. I have the scars to prove my knife-fighting experience. The OP has Bupkis AFAIC.

Move this to the Mall Ninja forum where it belongs.

Mr. Nance first, thank you Sir for stopping by and posting. Your strategies are solid and have some validity, but they are just strategic thinking and sometimes you need flexibility and options along with those solid strategies.

I train guys with family, when the dad gets confronted by a guy with a knife, what should he do, run and leave his wife and kids to fend this guy off? ..No he has to stay and deal with that BS while he gives the mother time to get the kids away. Second, pull out a gun? what if they were in a place where others are around, should he start shooting in the Chaos, even though he believes he is a good shot?

As a rule shit always happens at the wrong time and at the wrong place..as MisterHappy said, you need to Prep.
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You wrote “Unlike the idiot who posted the OP, I've actually BEEN in a knife fight, unarmed. Bad idea. VERY bad idea” Did you yourself forget your own strategies? or did the shit just happen and you got caught up in it? that's usually the way...it just happens, so we do the best we can to prep for those situations.
Thanks again for posting.

 

[ChevyGuy91]

I'm done with this shit.

BOW TO YOUR SENSEI!

 

[jmjkd]

Timber, I didn't mean to insult you or dis you, you were very cool and respectful with your post and mentioned you didn't want to do what the guys did in the vid, running hills and that crap, I get it. And that your were interested in the “learning techniques” like the vid you posted on BJJ. I get that too and that stuff is a ball to train. But there was no intended disrespect to you , hell your biking and busting them getting in shape for a really tough hike...' tough for me anyway.” how could I ever dis that?

There was no intended disrespect to you brother, or insinuating your fat or can't handle yourself, or lumping you in with woman and children ....if it came across that way, sorry man. straight up. I was mentioning we have all kinds of folk, for those who thought all we do is beat people up and get hurt..

Many guys that come in are just naturally tough, athletic rugged guys in shape with high pain tolerance and the will, who have all ready been in lots of street fights and can handle themselves too. Nothing wrong with that that is how I thought you would be coming down to train with someone you don't know. Bro that's a complement and mad props. Not the other way.
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Sorry it didn't work out.

 

[jmjkd]

Timber one more thing, please don't sell yourself short, you are one of the few who took my offer and wanted to come down, you may think that there are a really lot of people who would do that, well not really. You are on a short list, I have had an open invitation to come train, and test for many years.. Maybe 20 guys have come take the challenge, 3 were SF guys, one being Paul Pawela http://assaultcountertactics.com/
and the other 2 are still in the sandbox making big bucks.

It takes a certain type of person to come try, you being one and here is another who came to visit the little chubby guy
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-memories070709

when I started doing this stuff there was no Utube.