Uncle Mas on manual safeties

M1911 · Apr 20, 2023

Grendizer138 said:
If you’re training that way, cool.

I had a Shield with manual safety that i had about 3,500 rounds through. When doing a mag change in a pistol class I unknowingly swept the safety on. I did a tap-rack and a mag change and another tap-rack before I figured out what happened. It was….revealing.

I sold the gun the next day and bought the non-safety version.

On a 1911, once I sweep the safety down, my thumb remains on the safety. Modern 1911 safeties are designed so that you have a good grip with your right thumb resting on the safety, so that type of issue is unlikely to happen. There are certainly many handguns with more poorly designed safeties that do not allow for that type of grip.

I took over 150 hours of training courses with a 1911. I never messed up operating the safety. YMMV.

M1911 · Apr 20, 2023

northframingham said:
Not to say he wasn't knowledgeable; but he has ALWAYS been full of himself.

Yes, indeed. That said, I find that I generally agree with him. And you forgot to mention that he wears a pathetic hairpiece.

pastera · Apr 20, 2023

Len-2A Training said:
In MA, you'd be charged with illegal storage, count on that!

If it's in my house then, unless I'm alone, the gun can be supervised by another LTC holder.
Otherwise, in a locked car that I'm in direct supervision of or on the ground close enough to supervise but out of instant reach.

And in the grand scheme, that's the easy charge to beat if you're in that scenario.

jasonj84 · Apr 20, 2023

I want to know more about Kalash's "strong hand grip"! Is it like a Kung Fu grip?

mcshooter · Apr 20, 2023

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Uncle Mas on manual safeties

Massad Ayoob yesterday on the Wilson Combat Channel commenting on manual safeties: View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-ab_d9lCkg My unpopular position is: Choose 'em, train on 'em and be glad they're one more thing between you and (re-)holstering accident. It's the same discipline you'd...

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M1911 · Apr 20, 2023

Merged.

M1911 · Apr 20, 2023

TJ4 said:
Off-topic, but is he wearing a toupe? I always thought so.

Yes, he does and it is a bad one. It is pathetic. I say this as someone mostly bald on top. Just be a man and clip it short.

Wickedcoolname · Apr 20, 2023

In a self defense situation he just tosses the rug on the ground. The bad guy thinks it's a flattened muskrat and when he's wondering how it got there Ayoob shoots him.

drgrant · Apr 20, 2023

Grendizer138 said:
Still waiting to know how people “look a gun into the holster” in the dark.

If I'm holding onto the only foreign thing (shirt) that coud get jammed in the guard I can reholster safely without looking if i had to. That's another reason i use kydex, you know the holster will receive the gun well.

SIGNES · Apr 20, 2023

drgrant said:
who is in a rush to reholster?

Signed, "most of nes that carries guns with no safety lever for decades"Thus

So, while I stand by my advocacy for people to CHOOSE manual safeties and train on them, this, right here ^^ is a very good point! I see WAY too much of this in the 'selfie training vids' and GunTuber demos. RE-holstering is not something to rush.

drgrant · Apr 20, 2023

M1911 said:
Yes, he does and it is a bad one. It is pathetic. I say this as someone mostly bald on top. Just be a man and clip it short.

I've never understood the toupee thing. Men basically have a carte blanche license to be bald.... if i was balding id take that free bingo square.

Grendizer138 · Apr 20, 2023

drgrant said:
If I'm holding onto the only foreign thing (shirt) that coud get jammed in the guard I can reholster safely without looking if i had to. That's another reason i use kydex, you know the holster will receive the gun well.

With kydex and repetition/training, you also know if something is “off” while slowly reholstering (without looking), at which point you can feel with your thumb to see if a piece of clothing is in there.

M1911 · Apr 20, 2023

drgrant said:
I've never understood the toupee thing. Men basically have a carte blanche license to be bald.... if i was balding id take that free bingo square.

Yup. I just have some hair clippers with a really short blade. So I cut my own hair now.

kalash · Apr 21, 2023

M1911 said:
On a 1911, once I sweep the safety down, my thumb remains on the safety. Modern 1911 safeties are designed so that you have a good grip with your right thumb resting on the safety, so that type of issue is unlikely to happen.

jasonj84 said:
I want to know more about Kalash's "strong hand grip"! Is it like a Kung Fu grip?

On a 1911 my thumb doesn't comfortably rest on the safety, I have to shift my grip a little. Basically I draw, disengage the safety, and then shift my grip a little. With other guns with thumb safeties it's even worse so I still shoot 1911s but won't carry one. Yes, I realize that I'm probably in the minority on this but handgun fit is pretty subjective (e.g. at the same time I find that Glocks fit my hands perfectly). YMMV indeed.

M1911 · Apr 21, 2023

kalash said:
On a 1911 my thumb doesn't comfortably rest on the safety, I have to shift my grip a little. Basically I draw, disengage the safety, and then shift my grip a little. With other guns with thumb safeties it's even worse so I still shoot 1911s but won't carry one. Yes, I realize that I'm probably in the minority on this but handgun fit is pretty subjective (e.g. at the same time I find that Glocks fit my hands perfectly). YMMV indeed.

Does your 1911 have an extended safety?

kalash · Apr 21, 2023

M1911 said:
Does your 1911 have an extended safety?

It does not. Not sure that would fix it - my thumb doesn't really point directly forward, it sits at an angle.

I'm generally unique though - for instance I hit the mag release with my middle finger instead of my thumb. It's highly unusual, I know, but it works very well for me. The only explanation I've come up with is that most shooters rotate the gun in their hand more than I do - if I pointed it a bit left then my thumb could rest on the safety AND my thumb could reach the mag release. I've tried shooting that way and it really bothered my wrist so I'm sticking with the way I've always shot - like I said it works well for me.

Anyways, I'll stop ranting now.

M1911 · Apr 21, 2023

kalash said:
It does not. Not sure that would fix it - my thumb doesn't really point directly forward, it sits at an angle.

I’ve owned 1911s with and without an extended safety. The extended safety makes a huge difference.

67ray · Apr 21, 2023

45 is better than 9 tho

kerryman71 · Apr 22, 2023

Maybe he's all for manual safeties because he's not just worried about getting his shirt caught up in the trigger while reholstering, but also that dumb ass rug on his head that has been mentioned several times!

67ray · Apr 23, 2023

Safeties can keep the bad guy 'from activating the killing machine'

Mountain · Apr 23, 2023

The best EDC safety is an empty chamber. [troll]

Love Machine · Apr 27, 2023

Meh, do your thing if you wanna do your thing. Last I saw him, he had a custom Beretta 92.

76Too · Apr 27, 2023

AJK129 said:
If you're reholstering it would likely mean the threats gone and youll have time to do so safely too

And the chamber and magazine are empty because all the ammunition went down range and hopefully in your target.

drgrant said:
who is in a rush to reholster?

Exactly.

With my luck though, I’ll be posting in the ND thread later this week with a story about how ‘I just f***ing shot myself’

AJK129 · Apr 27, 2023

76Too said:
And the chamber and magazine are empty because all the ammunition went down range and hopefully in your target.

Should be training reloading fresh mags in before holstering though

76Too · Apr 27, 2023

AJK129 said:
Should be training reloading fresh mags in before holstering though

Touché!!!

Grendizer138 · Apr 27, 2023

AJK129 said:
Should be training reloading fresh mags in before holstering though

Tell me you’ve taken good training without telling me you’ve taken good training!

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