Ugh. Arnold signed the microstampting bill.

[ateamrob]

I used to have respect for AHNOLD but not now.

He is molded into a Liberal who only cares about going with the flow.

too bad....

so much for John Matrix....[sad2]

 

[dwarven1]

Therefore if as gun owners across the country we were to say to them - we will each pledge to buy a firearm - or some $$ amount of firearm related purchases from you - if and only if you pull out of CA - and this means civilian and LE and govt. sales - then we will help support you in that decision by buying your firearms.
If each one of us signed a pledge to buy a firearm from these companies if they pull out - then the politics will somewhat take care of itself. Glock, Sig, and S&W are probably the biggest sellers of firearms to LE and govt agencies - once said agencies realize they are about to get shut off - there will be intense lobbying within the CA govt. to dump the bill

Of course, coming from MA where Glock won't even SELL it's guns, I'm not sure how seriously they'd take it...

 

[calsdad]

Of course, coming from MA where Glock won't even SELL it's guns, I'm not sure how seriously they'd take it...

So you buy Sig or S&W - the point is that if we want to get gun manufacturers on board with dumping CA having some other incentive other than a bunch of pissy emails to corporate public relations might go a long way.

My point was that money always talks - and if thousands of gun owners across the country came out and said - we would like you as a manufacturer to say "screw you California" - and we will back you up by purchasing your product - that might go a long way, as well as maybe getting some press if it became big enough.

Plus it gives you an excuse to buy another gun.

 

[TomH]

Notice that none of those letters state they don't support it because it's simply wrong and against the rights to freely bear arms.

 

[dwarven1]

Notice that none of those letters state they don't support it because it's simply wrong and against the rights to freely bear arms.

And why, exactly, would Kalifornia care about rights of anyone except Mexicans?

 

[SemiAutoSam]

Hey now dont dump us all into the same category. I'm no illegal lover in fact just the opposite I tell who ever will listen about the federal law 287G that helps the local LE Agencies deport the illegals. And also Tell everyone that will stand still about that evil Special Order 40 that the bastard Ex LAPD Chief Daryl Gates put into place in the late 1970's.

Federal Law 287G.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=federal+law+287+G&spell=1

Special Order 40
http://www.google.com/search?source...006-04,GGLG:en&q=Special+Order+40+Daryl+Gates

And why, exactly, would Kalifornia care about rights of anyone except Mexicans?

 

[Another_David]

Even UC Davis says it's flawed

More info on microstamping with my bold emphasis:

Microstamping Guns Feasible but Flawed, Study Finds

New technology to link cartridge cases to guns by engraving microscopic codes on the firing pin is feasible, but does not work well for all guns and ammunition tested in a pilot study by researchers from the forensic science program at UC Davis. More testing in a wider range of firearms is needed to determine the costs and feasibility of a statewide program of microstamping, as called for by proposed state legislation, the researchers said.

The technology developed by ID Dynamics of Londonderry, N.H., uses a laser to cut a pattern or code into the head of a firing pin. The method is similar to that used to engrave codes on computer chips. When the trigger is pulled, the firing pin hits the cartridge case or primer and stamps the code onto it. In principle, the spent cartridge can then be matched to a specific gun.

If successfully implemented, microstamping would be one additional piece of evidence for investigators to gather in building a criminal case, said Fred Tulleners, director of the forensics program at UC Davis. Tulleners was formerly director of the California Department of Justice crime lab in Sacramento, as well as the Sacramento and Santa Rosa county crime labs.

UC Davis graduate student Michael Beddow tested firing pins from six different brands of semi-automatic handguns, two semi-automatic rifles and a shotgun. The firing pins were engraved with three different types of code: a letter/number code on the face of the firing pin; a pattern of dots or gears around the pin; and a radial bar code down the side of the pin.

To test the effects of repeated firing, Beddow fitted engraved firing pins into six Smith and Wesson .40-caliber handguns that were issued to California Highway Patrol cadets for use in weapons training. After firing about 2,500 rounds, the letter/number codes on the face of the firing pins were still legible with some signs of wear. But the bar codes and dot codes around the edge of the pins were badly worn.

"They were hammered flat," Beddow said.

Tests on other guns, including .22, .380 and .40-caliber handguns, two semi-automatic rifles and a pump-action shotgun, showed a wide range of results depending on the weapon, the ammunition used and the type of code examined, Beddow found. Generally, the letter/number codes on the face of the firing pin and the gear codes transferred well to cartridge cases, but the bar codes on the sides of the firing pin performed more poorly. Microstamping worked particularly poorly for the one rimfire handgun tested.

The researchers did not have access to information allowing them to read the bar- or gear-codes, and so could not determine if these remained legible enough to be useful.

Codes engraved on the face of the firing pin could easily be removed with household tools, Beddow found.

The researchers estimated that setting up a facility to engrave the firing pins of every handgun sold in California would cost about $8 per firing pin in the first year, falling to under $2 per firing pin in subsequent years, Tulleners said.

Tulleners said that a larger test of about 3,000 firing pins, from a wider range of guns, would allow for a more "real-world" test of the technology. About 650 brands of handguns are sold in California, compared with the nine tested, Beddow estimated in the study. A bigger study would also help show how useful this technology might be in detecting and preventing crime.

The study was commissioned by the California Policy Research Center at the request of the California Legislature.

"We want to make sure that the legislature has good information if they are going to make decisions about this," Tulleners said.

David Howitt, professor of chemical engineering and materials science and chair of the Graduate Group in Forensic Science at UC Davis, supervised the project. Howitt said that while the technique tested here has limitations, there are other possible ways to implement microstamping. For example, an ultra-hard ceramic that would be extremely difficult to file off could be used to make the impression, instead of the relatively soft firing pin.

More university involvement is needed to address these sorts of forensic science issues from their inception, Howitt said.

Source: UC Davis

 

[Len-2A Training]

They'll just pass a law against possessing "tools"!

"It's for the children!"

 

[drgrant]

This whole microstamping bullshit thing has nothing to do with
crime prevention or helping LEOs solve crimes. It's basically
an elaborate ruse to reduce the number of new handgun owners
in CA, nothing more. It's designed to try to marginalize gun
owners so that they can eventually move to a full out handgun
ban. I'm surprised that CA hasn't required license for "mere
ownership" yet. I would venture a guess that the number of
legal handgun owners in CA is so high that it would cost many
millions of dollars is systems and man-time to license people, and
this is the only reason why the commies there haven't figured
out how to pass a law for it yet.

-Mike

 

[LoginName]

They'll just pass a law against possessing "tools"!

"It's for the children!"

It's already happening!!!

Mothers Insisting on Licensed Tools

 

[sig shooter]

so what the serial # on the spent casing....that doesnt tell you where to find it or who shot the person, 99.9% of the time the gun is stolen. the dirty bastards will just pick up there brass real quick and run or use a revolver or the serial ## could just be filed off the firing pin very easly or switched out compleatly with a regular one.this shit just makes no sense to me.

 

[Len-2A Training]

They'll just arrest the gun owner. Worst case if it was stolen, they charge him/her with "criminal negligence" for ALLOWING it to be stolen! [I'm only half joking here.]

The criminal is never responsible, it's always the gun and the legal gun owner's fault.

 

[sig shooter]

They'll just arrest the gun owner. Worst case if it was stolen, they charge him/her with "criminal negligence" for ALLOWING it to be stolen! [I'm only half joking here.]

The criminal is never responsible, it's always the gun and the legal gun owner's fault.

forgot to mention that

 

[doobie]

All we need is for all the manufactures say "Sorry, CA LEOs, we can't sell to you because of your draconian laws."

 

[SemiAutoSam]

I corrected it just a touch to show the message that I would give to the PRC's LEO and Government.

All we need is for all the manufactures say "Sorry, CA LEOs, we won't sell to you because of your draconian laws."