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That's Richard alright . . . still selling (61 items here alone)!

He's got brass balls, that's for sure. He's selling GUNS, mags, LE restricted mags, ammo, etc. . . . mere possession in MA is a felony w/o LTC and you can be sure that he no longer has his LTC! Even if he's having his Wife handle the goodies (I assume she still has her LTC), without an FFL or being LE (she isn't) the LE restricted mags are a felony.

If he were smart, he'd be "laying low" and have a dealer friend take possession and sell off his stuff for him.

No, you didn't break any rules here.
 
Wow.

My personal experience with the ATF has been very pleasent. Of course I always avoid breaking the law and call them when in doubt. They are helpfull and have always gave me a straight forward answer.

But there is no argument that they have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of innnocent people. We all know about the Weavers and the sawed off shotgun, Waco and the hellfire triggers, etc... All over "fairly" innocent yet just one illegal incident that cost many lives.

He's got big balls? Freaking HUGE!
 
from what I understand (very limited knowledge of the actual instance) is that originally he had some inconsistencies in his books (missing info, etc). He was warned numerous times and then was told they would not be renewing his FFL. Why he didn't stop selling is beyond me, but even if he is a nice guy, I would have to say either arrogance or stupidity is the culprit.

I too took a drive down there once (about an hour drive). I could have sworn the directions were wrong, because, like many of you I pulled up to a house that had nothing distinguishing it as a place of business, so I turned around and left.

I attempted to conduct a FTF trade with a gentlman who had purchased a Glock from him, but had used up his 4 freebies already. When we went to a different FFL to do the trade we were informed taht it could not be done because the Glock was not MA compliant, yet this guy had just bought it from We Are Guns a couple months prior. Sounds to me like this guy was making mistakes left and right.
 
john77 said:
LenS said:
I'm not sure that they were "mistakes"!
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Good point Len.
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One of the reasons I wanted to go see the place (before all this happened) was that on his web site, he kept advertising pistols that were not MA-compliant. Now, it was unclear from the site whethere those guns were for sale to MA residents or not.

I guess if you have no license, you aren't very worried about losing it. :D
 
Information from my tendril of the grapevine is that:

1. He took money down on guns not delivered;

2. He went BACK to his house after being arraigned and CONTINUED to sell
mags and ammo (perhaps to pay for #1, above);

3. His ammo was transferred to 2 other FFLs because he could not handle it;

4. His wife had her LTC revoked and guns seized as a co-conspirator; and

5. BATFE and ICE made sure Norton revoked his LTC and state sales license.

Supposedly the Feds had 8+ vehicles to assault his house (he wasn't home), barricaded the road, interrogated those coming down the road and told the neighbors to stay inside, out of the Feds' way.

How do you spell "overkill?"
 
Interogated people coming down the road? I have to laugh as Farm Lane is a dead end street that stops at the Norton Reservoir. I'd think that unless you had a specific reason to go there, you wouldn't be on that road.

As I recall from my one trip down there, we had to turn around at the end and drive back and forth two or three times before we figured out where the place was.

My friend is sure glad that he didn't buy from this guy.

Gary
 
Scrivener said:
5. BATFE and ICE made sure Norton revoked his LTC and state sales license.

Supposedly the Feds had 8+ vehicles to assault his house (he wasn't home), barricaded the road, interrogated those coming down the road and told the neighbors to stay inside, out of the Feds' way.

How do you spell "overkill?"
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From what I understood, Richard didn't have a state sales license (if we are talking about license to sell guns/ammo) for quite a while now. He was doing mostly Internet sales out of state and thus didn't feel a big need for it (no longer eligible due to zoning requirements issue).

As Gary points out, it's a very short, dead-end road. 8 Fed vehicles ARE a roadblock. Doubt that anyone could have got down the road except on foot. I don't think there were more than ~3-4 houses on the street anyway. Doubt they get much "stray traffic" down there.

Yup, overkill in spades. I guess we should be glad that they didn't evacuate 1 square mile and bring in the bomb squad! [roll] It sure would have looked better on the nightly snews!
 
Scrivener said:
Maybe they thought he was hiding Elian................... [roll]
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Hell, they missed a golden opportunity . . . they could have used landing craft at the same time that they closed off the street, just in case they were worried that he might escape by jet skis! [roll]
 
Skald said:
Hard to guage the reactions on the thread for this one but...........

If he broke the law and sold firearms without following the law, he broke the law and deserves everything he gets. The true victim here are those dealers who follow the law because this idiot now gives them a bad name.
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He not only gives other dealers a bad name, but just feeds more fuel in the neverending fire pit in the PRM with regards to firearms.
 
LenS said:
Hell, they missed a golden opportunity . . . they could have used landing craft at the same time that they closed off the street, just in case they were worried that he might escape by jet skis! [roll]
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Doesn't that war in the desert have all the good equipment tied up? I thought I saw the ROTC practicing with sticks the other day.

Yea, there was this big dude strolling down the field. All the 'red' recruits were pointing their sticks and yelling "Bangity-Bang-Bang" but the 'dude' just kept coming.

Wasnt until he reached the end near me that I heard him saying "Tankity-Tank-Tank."

Sounds like Richard is going to be "made an example of".
 
Not Surprised....

He has been rumored to sell non-MA compliant guns for years, he is dealing out of his house and now didn't renew his FFL. Strike three, welcome to club Fed and a huge fine....

I'm surprised that his auctions are still going, but maybe he is allowed to sell mags and non-firearms.....I don't know, but I won't be going near it even though you could probably get a great fire sale price. The last time I spoke with him he was trying to move two NIB HK SP89s - I wonder if those are the alleged MGs going in for testing
 
Okay....I don't know this guy and I never went to his house, however after reading all of this, I figgered out he's one of two things...

1) A total idiot. - or -

2) One who lives by the 2nd amendment and completely thumbed his nose at laws that restricted the right. That being said, and if that's the case - way to go guy and too bad you got caught.
 
hk-sigman said:
What happens to the people that bought from him? Even the truly MA compliant guns that were sold?
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Nothing. He's the one who'll pay the price. Not the folks who bought what he was selling.
 
hk-sigman said:
Should his customers notify the ATF that they have bought from him? Will they be getting visits from the ATF in the middle of the night?
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No, and, probably not. It's up to the FFL to ensure he's following the state laws and requirements, not the purchaser of the piece. If he sold a gun to you, how are you to know it's not okay. It's his job to follow what's on the list, not yours. Others in the know might want to add something to this, but I believe I'm correct on that.
 
"He's the one who'll pay the price. Not the folks who bought what he was selling."

PROBABLY true. Then again..........

Worst-case scenarios:

1. Guns sold by Defendant F. are deemed evidence of criminal acts. Such guns are seized by Feds accordingly. Get a receipt as your personal souvenir, but don't expect to ever see your gun(s) again. An over-zealous/anti-gun chief may deem this sufficient reason to find such buyers "unsuitable" and revoke their licenses.

2. Guns which are NOT Mass-compliant and which were specifically ORDERED by and delivered to Mass. residents are deemed evidence of criminal acts. Such guns are seized and those who ordered and took possession of same are deemed co-conspirators and charged accordingly. LTCs are immediately revoked and all other guns seized.

Note that the AG is running for Governor and two gun-runners were just caught in Boston, further fueling Mumbles Menino's demands for roadblocks w/searches of vehicles to "save the children."

If you're not paranoid, you have no idea what's happening! [wink]
 
Scrivener said:
PROBABLY true. Then again..........

Worst-case scenarios:

1. Guns sold by Defendant F. are deemed evidence of criminal acts. Such guns are seized by Feds accordingly. Get a receipt as your personal souvenir, but don't expect to ever see your gun(s) again. An over-zealous/anti-gun chief may deem this sufficient reason to find such buyers "unsuitable" and revoke their licenses.

2. Guns which are NOT Mass-compliant and which were specifically ORDERED by and delivered to Mass. residents are deemed evidence of criminal acts. Such guns are seized and those who ordered and took possession of same are deemed co-conspirators and charged accordingly. LTCs are immediately revoked and all other guns seized.
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Thanks Scrivener....just out of curiosity, how often do these worst case scenarios happen? Does it usually happen everytime an FFL is caught being naughty, or does it depend on the size of his offense? (and from the sounds of it, this guy is doing quite a bit of naughty)
 
Another comment about Reilly's run for governor. A friend of mine told me yesterday that a lot of gun shops are supporting Reilly because he goes after the mail order joints.

Can this possibly be true???

[roll]
 
Emoto said:
Another comment about Reilly's run for governor. A friend of mine told me yesterday that a lot of gun shops are supporting Reilly because he goes after the mail order joints.

Can this possibly be true???
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I can't imagine it - no way, no how. Given what he's done to their businesses, ANY gun shop owner would be mentally deficient to support Tom Reilly for Governer. I think your friend is pulling your chain.
 
dwarven1 said:
Emoto said:
Another comment about Reilly's run for governor. A friend of mine told me yesterday that a lot of gun shops are supporting Reilly because he goes after the mail order joints.

Can this possibly be true???
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I can't imagine it - no way, no how. Given what he's done to their businesses, ANY gun shop owner would be mentally deficient to support Tom Reilly for Governer. I think your friend is pulling your chain.
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No, he was serious. :(
 

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