Went shooting with the .40 Shield today

[fencer]

I wouldn't use it either, 9mm conversion barrels suck more than .40 does. The P229 is also a decent platform for the .40. It was designed for that cartridge. I owned 2 of them in .40 at one time.

I was sooo waiting for the ETA - " then I grew up"

 

[sig shooter]

40 is for homos

 

[fencer]

40 is for homos

LOL - then why is it all the haters complain about the recoil?

"Whaaa - it makes my wrist ache "

 

[sig shooter]

40 is faggy because its a watered down 10mm. Go with 9mm or 10mm, not a limp dick middle ground.

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[84ta406]

Got rid of my .40 for a .357SIG.. not sure what that makes me.. lol

 

[Love Machine]

Got rid of my .40 for a .357SIG.. not sure what that makes me.. lol

A self-loating homo with a penchant for masochism? </thread>

But in all seriousness, I don't get the hate for the cartridge. It's a bit more powerful than the 9 and way more controllable for me than the .45, especially in a small frame like the Shield.

I'll see myself out.

 

[dcmdon]

Most of it is because people are sick of seeing newbs getting swindled into sucking for a .40 by gun shop commando shitbirds who think its the next best thing to sliced bread.

-Mike

If I had a dollar for every used .40 shield, PM9 or similar I've seen with "only 100 rounds through it". I could take you out for a night drinking.

 

[dcmdon]

I hear what Don is saying about split times and control. But my goal is to not have to shoot twice.

This is one reason the .mil is looking to replace the M9 and also the reason that most in the .mil that get to choose a side arm avoid 9mm.

Like many of us, I own handguns in lots of different calibers. When shooting at targets that are not paper you can see, hear and feel the difference between 9mm and .40 cal.
I often carry a PM9 but when I can I would rather carry a .40 or a .45

Fencer,

I think its unrealistic to expect any handgun round to put someone down with one shot.

You keep squeezing the trigger until the person can no longer commit violence against you.
And besides, its all about shot placement.

 

[dcmdon]

I like my 40 and being the velocity nut that I am, my favorite load uses 135gr pills and full load of Longshot. Talk about A snappy load. I was getting over 1500 fps with my Sig, but I have not chrono'd my Shield.

Dean

I would of course expect an answer like that from you. But since you like sub-calibers so much, I'd figured you for a .357 sig guy.

Or something else that burned the throat out of the barrel in 1500 rounds. Ha.

Didn't Corbon make a 10mm necked down to a 9mm bullet at one time. It was called the .40 Corbon or something like that.
**edit** that was a wrong guess.

The correct cartridge for semi-auto speed freaks like Dean is the 9x25 Dillon. Its a 10mm necked down to 9mm. How's a 125 gr bullet at 1700 fps sound? Dean???

Ha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9×25mm_Dillon

don

 

[browncoat]

40 is faggy because its a watered down 10mm. Go with 9mm or 10mm, not a limp dick middle ground.

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If s&w made a 10mm m&p, I certainly would have gotten one.

 

[pupchow]

...
But in all seriousness, I don't get the hate for the cartridge. It's a bit more powerful than the 9 and way more controllable for me than the .45, especially in a small frame like the Shield.

It took me a bit to get dialed in with Shield .40. With an XDs .45, not so much. A lot of that had to do with the fit of the gun to my hand(s). Although I don't shoot competitively, I do want to see what a shot timer tells me. That's a great idea, using the phone app.

 

[rkwjunior]

40 is faggy because its a watered down 10mm. Go with 9mm or 10mm, not a limp dick middle ground.

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It's even more faggy when people wine about a faggy watered down round.

 

[Love Machine]

Comrade Bambamski reporting.

I shot Winchester whitebox 9mm 124gr ammo from a Glock 19 Gen II and Winchester whitebox 165gr ammo from the .40 Shield. To measure, I used the shot timer for iOS.

Results:

Shield split times: 1.14, 1.56, 1.38, 1.37, 1.28
Glock 19 split times: 1.55, 1.43, 1.42, 1.30, 1.49

Accuracy was abysmal for both at 30 yards, roughly 10 total for both with a half-sized silhouette. My damn pussyass hands.

 

[fencer]

Accuracy was abysmal for both at 30 yards

30 yards? As in 90 feet? With compact pistols?

If accuracy had been good, you get your own Youtube channel and we change your user name to EvilDragon 45. Then gunmakers start sending you guns to shoot and review.

 

[Love Machine]

Yes, as in 90 feet. I was too lazy to move the target at the range.

 

[Rate_of_Twist]

Yes, as in 90 feet. I was too lazy to move the target at the range.

To be measurable you really need to judge quality hits and same size targets.... Otherwise all your testing is how fast you can burn through ammo (not flamming you one bit, just making an observation)

 

[Love Machine]

Well, the target was the same....Ok, ok, you've convinced me, I'll go out again tomorrow and shoot some more.

 

[AM13]

I tried the 165 grain bullet, white box Winchester. Seems to get rid of all the snappy 180gr issues, the gun is now really pleasant to shoot.

all things being the same, wouldn't the lighter bullet result in more felt recoil, due to increased velocity

 

[bill o]

all things being the same, wouldn't the lighter bullet result in more felt recoil, due to increased velocity

Holding momentum the same, the lighter bullet usually feels snappier but it's very subjective. Competitive shooters usually prefer a heavy bullet at lower velocity.

 

[fencer]

all things being the same, wouldn't the lighter bullet result in more felt recoil, due to increased velocity

All things being equal - the heavier bullet will produce more recoil.

 

[Rate_of_Twist]

Well, the target was the same....Ok, ok, you've convinced me, I'll go out again tomorrow and shoot some more.

The point of the exercise is to show, accurately, how fast "you" can keep all of your shots placed accurately on a given target at a realistic range. In other words, don't just blaze through trying to get the fastest split time... Then your just "gaming" the test. Full the trigger when you know you have the right shot and let the times be what they are. Then you have a fair example of what you can currently do with each platform and caliber

 

[Love Machine]

Went shooting this morning, 20 feet at a rapid fire silhoutte target, 6 rounds.

Glock 19 - Score 54 - Split times: 2.38, 2.33, 2.49, 2.21, 2.15, 1.81
Shield - Score 53 - Split times: 2.62, 2.06, 1.89, 1.71, 1.62, 1.68

 

[fencer]

 

[jron]

I hate the 40 shield personally. However I love the 147gr 9mm out of the shield 9. doesn't have the "snap" of the 40. I dont mind a full size 40, but I personally find more benefits with the 9 for what I want/look for.

but opinions are like *******s.

 

[pupchow]

The XDs in .45 packs a punch, but I find the Shield .40 to be more of a handful. So I measured (roughly) a few similar guns, to compare distance between bore axis and undercut at bottom of trigger guard.

Shield 2.30"
G43 2.10"
XDs 1.90"

Also, the placement of the grip on the Shield is more toward center than the other two.

 

[drgrant]

Usually with .40 factory loads the 180s recoil less because they're not loaded very hot, heavy bullets in 40 escalate the pressures quite a bit. Theres nowhere to go.in .40 with a 180 or 200 grain bullet before tge gun blows up but with 155 or 165s you can stoke them a little.

 

[Cloverleaf Firearms Group]

In the totally unscientific test we did shooting some shit this week... .40 punched through intermediate barriers and put a hurting on targets consistently better than 9 and 45. Does that mean that I'm running out to switch to .40? No. But it was interesting to see that it (apparently) performed consistently better on vehicles than other rounds. All types of rounds. I don't really have a dog in the fight. Put a gun in my hand... whatever caliber... and you're getting a majority of them in your body without a noticeable difference in split times. And draw to first shot is going to be the same every time.

 

[oppressed]

After watching some video of my friend and myself shooting a G27 I think there is something to be said about the size of the person's hands doing the shooting. I have big ass hands and it was quite a noticeable difference in the recoil between the two of us. I'm 6'0" and 240 and have about 70 lbs on my friend. The gun seemed to jump a lot less when I was shooting it.

I could be completely wrong, that's just what it seemed to me. I like the fact that the G27 holds more than a .45 and only one less bullet than the 9mm. I do not consider myself to be a very experienced shooter, but was surprised at my rapid fire grouping ability during the shooting portion of Len S's class. I am totally happy with this gun. So reliable.

I rarely pay attention to which grain bullet I'm shooting so can't comment on that until I do.