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If it is a pre-Healy lower you are building on, they will approve AR-15 SBRs alsoI know they stopped approving SBRs because of AR-15 ban. But SBS will they? Anyone done recently?
Also, there are people in Mass who own Shockwaves. Can they Form 1 them and attach a buttstock?
From Chapter 140 Sec 121
''Sawed-off shotgun'', any weapon made from a SHOTGUN, whether by alteration, modification or otherwise, if such weapon as modified has one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches.
Very trueAccording to our overseers, Shockwave is a handgun. I don't see anything in MGL's wrt converting a pistol into a shotgun.
Also, there are people in Mass who own Shockwaves. Can they Form 1 them and attach a buttstock?
Why would you bother with that? Just put a "brace" on it instead...
-Mike
If I had the acumen and BAR etc I'd become an NFA attorney and practice in MA... someone needs to slap around the state a little bit. It's pretty obvious to me that EOPS and the AG are up to their usual smoke-blowing, BS trying to convince NFA tech branch that water is not wet and the sky isn't blue... and when they have the only voice in the room they get listened to and taken as gospel.
Does the ATF tech branch need convincing, or do they just see a letter from a states AG and automatically agree with the state ?
I have always felt like the ATF rules on the federal level, and delegates the dealers to enforce the state laws while taking an AG guidance as law for that state.
If you want an SBS, just buy a factory SBS. there are used ones on many of the auction sites for reasonable money or buy a new one, they are still made and you can get them transferred still. Or at least you could last year. And I have not heard of any changes since then.
ATF did ask for a picture to prove it is not an AW and covered by the AWB.
Must have just made it then. Mine was an SBS, full stock from the factory.A MA dealer cannot transfer a SBS because MA considers it a "firearm" (handgun), and since it's not on the Approved Forearms Roster, it's not dealer-transferrable.
The FRB set out letters to all dealers earlier this year "clarifying" this point because they had a lot of questions about transferring Mossberg Shockwaves and Remington TAC 14s.
The letter said that any gun in MA with a barrel shorter than 16" is a "firearm" and subject to the roster. This includes SBRs, which dealers can no longer transfer in MA either.
A MA dealer cannot transfer a SBS because MA considers it a "firearm" (handgun), and since it's not on the Approved Forearms Roster, it's not dealer-transferrable.
The FRB set out letters to all dealers earlier this year "clarifying" this point because they had a lot of questions about transferring Mossberg Shockwaves and Remington TAC 14s.
The letter said that any gun in MA with a barrel shorter than 16" is a "firearm" and subject to the roster. This includes SBRs, which dealers can no longer transfer in MA either.
This seems like the avenue to go.
Find a virgin receiver or a stripped shockwave receiver out of state.
FFL transfer it.
FA-10 it as having a 0.0 inch barrel.
Form 1 the receiver.
While waiting in NFA jail, add the receiver parts, a birds head grip and a 14 inch barrel.
When stamp arrives, remove the birds head grip and add a stock.
Except isn't the issue that they will not approve the form since mass has told them it's not possible to make one legally?
I could be wrong, but Mass has told the BATFE that its not possible to Transfer a SBS on a Form 4, But I don't see why you couldn't build one on a Form 1, with a virgin receiver. The tough part is finding a virgin shotgun receiver.
I also wonder how a person could prove to the BATFE that the receiver never had a stock or barrel longer than 14 inches on it?