Like those Black White Supremacists who are attacking all those Asians in the cities?He was a brownish White Supremacist.
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Like those Black White Supremacists who are attacking all those Asians in the cities?He was a brownish White Supremacist.
No. They'll get our 'Medal of Honor'.If it turns out they told the IC to pound sand and went on their own do you think there will be repercussions ?
It gets screwy when second tier units show up. We did one where they purposely left one team in the mix and sent in a second team. The problem I have with it, as I was on the second team, they didn't tell us there was already 'good guys' inside. Which could very well happen if multiple agencies show up at different times. But it left a training scar.Yes, I’m sure not SOP, for a good reason. But I’ve trained with a local SoNH PD that carries throw kits into active shooter drills. Now that I think of it, that was the 2nd/3rd responding units with the throw kits, while the 1st goes in ASAP. In every scenario, the LEO with the throw kits stayed on gun and passed screaming victims - I think the throw kits were an unwelcome add-on by some policymaker. In 2021, I trained with a ME regional SWAT that had their medic in the entry stack for active shooters with throw kits. The medic didn’t stop for shit - they were there for the team, not the victims. Vendors make the kits so admins figure they are needed. Some vendors started calling them Warm Zone Active Shooter kits.
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I doubt any Biden supporters are wearing green. I knew a few, but they kept it deep down, they knew they were in the minority. But among that particular group? While it's never a 0% possibility, I'd say it's extremely low. Remember our union came out for Trump, whether I agree with that particular decision as a public policy or not.WRT the Biden meeting with LEOs, the last thing his people want is to have a photo op with un-vetted LEOs that might be hung out to twist in the breeze for failure to engage. The optics would be horrible - little downside to snubbing the brave LEOs who did their jobs.
Those who did their jobs likely didn’t expect accolades, but to be disinvited is insulting. They’ll probably have some quiet ceremony where the Governor awards citations later. If there were and Biden/Dem voters among the LEOs, I’d expect a few to switch parties.
I just went to the Manhattan Project museum in Oak Ridge. The reason they were able to keep that a secret was only a handful of people knew the entire picture. They hired people, mainly females, right out of high school and told them how to work the machinery to keep it within certain parameters, but not what was actually being worked on. They knew not to wear metal, because of the HUGE, I need to reiterate, HUGE, magnets, but that was it.I've seen this sentiment a lot.
I watched the X-Files during the '90s; loved it. One of my main takeaways, as someone working for the government at the time, was that there was no way any of those plots could ever work because generally, the government is too incompetent to keep that kind of a secret for that long.
I still think the government is neither smart enough nor flexible enough nor imaginative enough to think of and successfully execute these kinds of false flags.
But I could be wrong, and let's say I am. IF the .gov is sharp enough to run so many of these, and IF they're clever enough to avoid the kinds of smoking guns that would make their involvement obvious, then WHY would they be so stupid as to make such an obvious error as providing top of the line DD weaponry to a shooter when they know full well the gun-totin' public is going to wonder about it?
Posters here have already told us firsthand that they were able to save plenty of money from their HS jobs. Why dismiss them and instead gravitate away from Occam's Razor? Either the government is smart, or it's dumb. Pick one, not both.
It just goes to show you how effective the culture war programming is on the general population which is largely ignorant of reality and history. Assuming heavily reported shootings (while misrepresenting them, or not reporting at all the shootings that don't support the narrative) are perpetrated by white supremacists. Meanwhile 20 years ago the FBI said there were less than 5000 white supremacist's in the US.WRT the Uvalde shooter being a CIA plant, I was at a religious event Sunday morning and they did an impromptu memorial for the 35 killed in Buffalo & Uvalde. Those present were asked to volunteer grief & prayers and one person spoke of evil, assuming the Uvalde shooter was a White Supremacist targeting Brown kids. Everyone sort of shuffled around a bit and the leader just mentioned that the Uvalde mass shooting didn’t appear to have that element involved.
As they say, nature abhors a vacuum. Lacking information to the contrary, lots of possibilities rush in to fill the void.
Probably hasn’t happened yet as mass shootings are so rare and more often the shooting is over when the shooter does a selfie after the 1st responders arrive. Friendly fire between LEOs and from armed non-LEOs at an active shooting is a risk, but that fear is totally exploited by the anti-gun people, who claim CCW and armed teachers/SROs would be a terrible danger. I haven’t yet read any of the lunatic anti-gun crowd saying thank God there was no armed tearcher/SRO at Uvalde or things could have been much worse. But it’s coming…It gets screwy when second tier units show up. We did one where they purposely left one team in the mix and sent in a second team. The problem I have with it, as I was on the second team, they didn't tell us there was already 'good guys' inside. Which could very well happen if multiple agencies show up at different times. But it left a training scar.
We shot the shit out of each other. Wearing all the gear, including messed up Airsoft helmets, we couldn't see much and what we could see wasn't wearing a uniform. So, in training, two teams took each other out. Thankfully, Team 1 had already taken down the bad guy. So, yeah, more than likely, good guys are going to blue on blue without good coms.
All of those objects have other uses than to take lives
I'll use another example to substantiate that the conspiracy scenario is at least probable: if you look at Peter Strzok and Lisa Page's private texts about Trump and Flynn, there are apparently individual actors among LE agencies that are zealous enough to stop at nothing, including felony, to achieve their political goals. And they have enough cohorts who know bits & pieces of these acts but choose to go along and turn a blind eye because they are sympathetic for the CAUSE. These people all believe ENDS JUSTIFIES THE MEANS.I've seen this sentiment a lot.
I watched the X-Files during the '90s; loved it. One of my main takeaways, as someone working for the government at the time, was that there was no way any of those plots could ever work because generally, the government is too incompetent to keep that kind of a secret for that long.
I still think the government is neither smart enough nor flexible enough nor imaginative enough to think of and successfully execute these kinds of false flags.
But I could be wrong, and let's say I am. IF the .gov is sharp enough to run so many of these, and IF they're clever enough to avoid the kinds of smoking guns that would make their involvement obvious, then WHY would they be so stupid as to make such an obvious error as providing top of the line DD weaponry to a shooter when they know full well the gun-totin' public is going to wonder about it?
Posters here have already told us firsthand that they were able to save plenty of money from their HS jobs. Why dismiss them and instead gravitate away from Occam's Razor? Either the government is smart, or it's dumb. Pick one, not both.
I'll use another example to substantiate that the conspiracy scenario is at least probable: if you look at Peter Strzok and Lisa Page's private texts about Trump and Flynn, there are apparently individual actors among LE agencies that are zealous enough to stop at nothing, including felony, to achieve their political goals.
A handful of FBI's grooming mentally unstable prospects and some coward police chiefs are all it takes. We know how anti-gun Mass Association of Police Chiefs are, and I wouldn't put pass them that a few are tiny bit giddy about tragedies like this nudging the gun control discourse their way. Whether they'll purposefully hold back their troops in an active shooter scenario, I do not know, it's beyond incompetence and cowardice and teeters evil. I cannot judge their intent though.To cut to the chase, though, in this case you're saying it "is at least probable" that all those individual actors came together in pint-sized Uvalde, TX, joined the local police, and then agreed to wait 19 minutes to let a bunch of kids die, thus furthering their political goals.
Is that the notion? Just trying to make sure I'm comprehending the theory here. Because I think it's far more probable that they're simply like most other people in uniform: brave enough if well-led in a crisis, but prone to look for excuses not to act if their leaders make it clear they don't have to.
A handful of FBI's grooming mentally unstable prospects and some coward police chiefs are all it takes. We know how anti-gun Mass Association of Police Chiefs are, and I wouldn't put pass them that a few are tiny bit giddy about tragedies like this nudging the gun control discourse their way. Whether they'll purposefully hold back their troops in an active shooter scenario, I do not know, it's beyond incompetence and cowardice and teeters evil. I cannot judge their intent though.
Cops have a huge issue when people “do their job for them”. When they drive out to a scene and find it has already been handled by the community, they start looking for someone to charge with something. Maybe not always, but I’ve seen it enough to know it’s a thing.If the cops are loitering around outside it shouldn't be an issue .
So laws should be about intent and not result? Sounds like the logic my 10-year old uses. “But I didn’t mean it”All of those objects have other uses than to take lives
Both Hanlon and Occam's Razors would say that you're right. I know however, there IS malice in our government, actually lot of it, I simply cannot say if there is a malicious element in Uvalde.The simpler explanation is indecision on the part of a small-town "school police chief" who was way overmatched by a fluid situation.
That kind of thing happens all the time, in all sorts of contexts. It's well-researched and well-attested by social psychologists, historians, economists, and military science people.
I'll go with that one.
Both Hanlon and Occam's Razors would say that you're right. I know however, there IS malice in our government, actually lot of it, I simply cannot say if there is a malicious element in Uvalde.
Where I live, we looked at all the benefits, programs, etc that are available to lower income people, there was about $60K in benefits available, food, housing , day care, insurance, other subsidies. That frees up your $ to get anything else you may want.In my experience, the poors have a shocking amount of disposable income. The average suburbanite/rural person would be dumbfounded. Here's an experiment. Take a drive through whatever big dump city is closest to you. Take note of the cars you see parked there. Even the ones that arent luxury brands are newer models.
Housing, food, utilities, medical, education are all paid for. Work just enough so that you dont blow that up. Make a few dollars on the side and there's your DD. The feds may or may not be involved in many of these incidents, but an expensive rifle is not the smoking gun many think it is.
Don’t worry, Biden’s just getting started.Of course there's malice in our government. And contempt. And mistrust. And ill-will.
Thank goodness there's so little competence. As bad as things are, they would be much worse.
I'll say it again....the kid worked a fulltime job. He earned a paycheck and saved his money,Where I live, we looked at all the benefits, programs, etc that are available to lower income people, there was about $60K in benefits available, food, housing , day care, insurance, other subsidies. That frees up your $ to get anything else you may want.
Don’t worry, Biden’s just getting started.
Only 965 days to go….