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.22LR MEGA THREAD!
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got SK long range tested today, it performed quite well. there was a very little wind at 100yds, so, it may be wind, or may be me.
15 rounds below. grid is 1" in size.
red arrow is at the POA. a lot of them went into same hole. i find it more than adequate.
15 rounds below. grid is 1" in size.
red arrow is at the POA. a lot of them went into same hole. i find it more than adequate.
That group looks like a full value from the right , yup no way its you, lol
I like seeing your elevation is pretty consistent and I think thats more important than windage. So either you have a consistent “pull” to the left or its wind.
Still a nice group for 22lr
I Have not bought Blazer ammo in decades. It used to be reliable, better than the Thunderbolt for plinking ammo.
I shoot mostly Aguila for plinking and Eley Club for matches.
Sunny
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Doesn't say, but Im sure its in the last year or two. I have a Beretta 92 22lr that freakin never fails to fire (I fire off duds in it all the time) and the blazer primer was pretty inconsistent.
So that means Winchester and now Blazer are on my shitlist for 22.
I run Federal AutoMatch in my Walther p22 and in my Ruger MKI. I never have a problem. I think it is the same price as Blazer.
On Midway, Blazer is 1¢ more per round. I would buy Federal over Blazer even if it were (not a lot) more.
On Midway, Blazer is 1¢ more per round. I would buy Federal over Blazer even if it were (not a lot) more.
CatSnoutSoup
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Blazer .22LR is the bargain basement of the Federal/CCI product line so you probably should not be surprised.
Well I guess that might not be true since Vista acquired Remington in 2020.
Cough, thunderbolt, cough, bullshit, cough, cough!
Remains to be seen if after the purposed sale of all of Vista’s ammo holdings to the new owners, Czechoslovak Group (CSG), they consider consolidating the product line.
New post consolidation, ThunderBlaze! skinflint .22LR
Blazer was the first ammo I ever shot, so I got a soft spot for that brand and I've never had that many issues with it, but when I can get CCI Standard Velocity for the same price and it shoots way better, Blazer isn't something I bother to go out of my way to buy unless it's a good sale.
It is, going to be a nice day to hit the range. I dug the old H&R out of the closet and dusted it off.
Now to see if she can shoot as good as she looks.
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I always thought that Thunderbolt used leaves and rabbit pellets as propellant. Those rounds were filthy.Blazer .22LR is the bargain basement of the Federal/CCI product line so you probably should not be surprised.
Well I guess that might not be true since Vista acquired Remington in 2020.
Cough, thunderbolt, cough, bullshit, cough, cough!
Remains to be seen if after the purposed sale of all of Vista’s ammo holdings to the new owners, Czechoslovak Group (CSG), they consider consolidating the product line.
New post consolidation, ThunderBlaze! skinflint .22LR
Been buying federal automatch for many years. Not the most accurate available but it is good for plate whacking and plinking very few duds.
For hunting purposes I use cci standard for the most part it's accurate let's face it.....22lr is to a squirrel what 50 bmg is to 2 legged vermin. I hear debates all the time about what's "best on squirrel"......ffs.....the best 22 on squirrel is what's most accurate in your rifle......even regular old lead round nose will devastate a squirrel.
Was shooting Automatch yesterday. Tons of FTF in a Ruger Charger, moved on to an AR 15 with a .22 conversion, same thing. Switched to CCI Standard velocity, and had no more problems. Maybe a bad batch. Never had a problem with it before.
Amputee Marksman
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I have a ton of the Automatch. My 10/22 eats it with no problem. My SR22 has not had any problems however I haven't put a lot of Automatch through it.
My dad would always tell us anytime you change
ammo type you need to clean your gun especially the chamber. 22 long rifle his theory will always was.The rim thickness varies greatly. The bulletproof are always always different, and the case could be just long enough to cause problems if there’s any carbon buildup in the chamber. Showing inspect a brass that doesn’t work look for carbon rings around the bullet, and check how the firing pin is hitting the rim.
I have adopted this theory and I very very rare have problems with any 22 or 22 ammo other than the results on target. But I don’t buy
ammo by the box or the brick I buy at 5 to 10,000 rounds at a time, and I tend to stay with ammo that works well and any 22 I own. So I don’t clean my 22s all that often.
gerrycaruso
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CCI was the most accurate in my 1022 but Aguilla is even more accurate and cheaper. It's also very clean. My American 180 is very fussy and dirty ammo makes it stop working very quickly. I think I'll try some Aguila in it and see if I can make it through a whole magazine.
Yes, measurable accuracy ….no
1942 513T
With the varying thickness on 22lr rim thickness you might be better of just buying better ammo.
I used go no go gauges to set mine. Brownells had the bolt shims at the time.
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KMM696
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Interesting... I was thinking of the two rifles (T1-X & B14R) that are steadily chewing through the last of the RWS Match, and setting to that batch's rim thickness. Once that's gone, it's on to the pile of SK.
Better ammo... don't really want to discover that either rifle really likes Eley. That could get expensive.
Yeah , I have only shot rsw 50Interesting... I was thinking of the two rifles (T1-X & B14R) that are steadily chewing through the last of the RWS Match, and setting to that batch's rim thickness. Once that's gone, it's on to the pile of SK.
Better ammo... don't really want to discover that either rifle really likes Eley. That could get expensive.
It was like $18 box pre covid.
My rifles and skills these days tops out at SK standard plus and CCI SV
My 513T and my kid barrel 10/22 do like tenex very much so BUT money wasted on my fading eyes and skill set.
You can get a rim gauge , the rim gauge from many years ago reminds me of a spark plug gapper.
Now they have ones like this
Digital dial indicator and Raven Eye Custom rim thickness gauge in action. | By Northern Utah Precision 22LRFacebook
Digital dial indicator and Raven Eye Custom rim thickness gauge in action.
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So I would sort by rim thickness or set your bolt until its just a tad/whisper snug on a go gauge?
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I have to ask , what are you getting for no wind group sizes with these rifles right now?Interesting... I was thinking of the two rifles (T1-X & B14R) that are steadily chewing through the last of the RWS Match, and setting to that batch's rim thickness. Once that's gone, it's on to the pile of SK.
Better ammo... don't really want to discover that either rifle really likes Eley. That could get expensive.
Does either rifle have a match chamber?
I have shot a shot ton of 22lr from cheap steel case to tenex
What you get from the higher end 22lr is more consistent priming , case length, rim thickness, bullet dia OAL.
A bit if a driftInteresting... I was thinking of the two rifles (T1-X & B14R) that are steadily chewing through the last of the RWS Match, and setting to that batch's rim thickness. Once that's gone, it's on to the pile of SK.
Better ammo... don't really want to discover that either rifle really likes Eley. That could get expensive.
I was waiting and waiting for the B14R Left Hand to show up. By the time it was available I had no fun money. Still have no Fun Money
Anyway
I was not getting one because of any accuracy claims I was just wanting a decent LH bolt 22lr so I dont have to break position to cycle one. Any how they are decent rifles but their own claim of good to go out of the factory is 2 moa average of 5 5 shot groups was not that great.
It also looks like by their own admission they will up ammo quality to reach that 2 moa mark.
Yes I know they can shoot better and I know a few B14r shooters are getting MOA and sometimes better.
Anyhow
KMM696
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That rim thickness gauge looks good, and at that price I probably can't make one for less. I have a couple dial indicators already. Hmmm..
The B14R managed a 0.6" and 0.7" @ 50yds today with the RWS Match (10 shot groups), zeroing for an NRL22 match. Well inside Bergara's accuracy limits. A bit of a storm front rolled by that had some evil wind gusts going on during the match, and I kind of suck at wind calls and aren't that good at building good positions yet - so I know I didn't shoot up to the rifle's potential. That's zeroing groups are about the results I can count on, if I'm not hampering the rifle from performing. I've seen smaller groups, but not often enough to think they're anything but luck. The T1X averages the same. Wish I could shoot as consistent as either rifle can.
Don't know if either is a match chamber, both are whatever the factory did. With both, if a shot goes wrong the rifles are good enough that I'm willing to assume I'm the problem. I do like having rifles where I trust the accuracy enough that if they miss, it was me that did it. You have a good point on whether my skills are really the limiting factor - I'm sure they are.
I feel the pain of trying to get a lefty Bergara, or anything left hand. I ended up with both the B14R and the T1X because I got impatient waiting months for the lefty CZ457 I ordered. My first attempt at getting the B14, the dealer sent the wrong rifle. By the time that was straightened out, that run of lefty B14s had sold out. Stumbled onto the T1X from another dealer, bought that and two weeks later the first dealer called me back with the B14 I wanted in stock. A month after getting that one, the CZ came in. I can't bring myself to move any of them on, because I can never bring myself to get rid of lefty stuff and will go out of my way to buy awful things because left handed.
As an example, I bought a Savage 64FL. Let me to be the first to admit, not a great rifle. Just barely hanging on to 'good' rifle status. Meh metal work, heavy creepy trigger, flimsiest of cheap plastic stocks, marginal iron sights. Exactly the price-point 22LR semi you'd expect it to be. Two things going for it: First, it does work. Acceptably accurate once scoped, or peep sight. Second, mirror image LH rifle. That alone was enough to send me after it, and even if it hadn't worked I'd have bought and kept it just because it's a mirror image left hand rifle. There's a twelve step program for this disease, and I'm endlessly repeating step 1.
The B14R managed a 0.6" and 0.7" @ 50yds today with the RWS Match (10 shot groups), zeroing for an NRL22 match. Well inside Bergara's accuracy limits. A bit of a storm front rolled by that had some evil wind gusts going on during the match, and I kind of suck at wind calls and aren't that good at building good positions yet - so I know I didn't shoot up to the rifle's potential. That's zeroing groups are about the results I can count on, if I'm not hampering the rifle from performing. I've seen smaller groups, but not often enough to think they're anything but luck. The T1X averages the same. Wish I could shoot as consistent as either rifle can.
Don't know if either is a match chamber, both are whatever the factory did. With both, if a shot goes wrong the rifles are good enough that I'm willing to assume I'm the problem. I do like having rifles where I trust the accuracy enough that if they miss, it was me that did it. You have a good point on whether my skills are really the limiting factor - I'm sure they are.
I feel the pain of trying to get a lefty Bergara, or anything left hand. I ended up with both the B14R and the T1X because I got impatient waiting months for the lefty CZ457 I ordered. My first attempt at getting the B14, the dealer sent the wrong rifle. By the time that was straightened out, that run of lefty B14s had sold out. Stumbled onto the T1X from another dealer, bought that and two weeks later the first dealer called me back with the B14 I wanted in stock. A month after getting that one, the CZ came in. I can't bring myself to move any of them on, because I can never bring myself to get rid of lefty stuff and will go out of my way to buy awful things because left handed.
As an example, I bought a Savage 64FL. Let me to be the first to admit, not a great rifle. Just barely hanging on to 'good' rifle status. Meh metal work, heavy creepy trigger, flimsiest of cheap plastic stocks, marginal iron sights. Exactly the price-point 22LR semi you'd expect it to be. Two things going for it: First, it does work. Acceptably accurate once scoped, or peep sight. Second, mirror image LH rifle. That alone was enough to send me after it, and even if it hadn't worked I'd have bought and kept it just because it's a mirror image left hand rifle. There's a twelve step program for this disease, and I'm endlessly repeating step 1.
