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A citizen found the marathon bomber.
Can't the Sheriff deputize some of the locals? Serious question.
Flame away, but I have to believe that it is a pretty tight knit community and if I were the Sheriff, I would ask 10 of the most level headed, responsible guys I know if they would step up and become volunteer deputies.
“Who else is going to protect you when your government can't?” Selig said.
The local pols were trying to bully the town into raising taxes by focusing on these essential services and then spreading fear through the way the messaged things. Happily the town told them to go **** themselves and took it upon themselves to sort things out. There's the REAL lesson in this. Do not play their game, change the rules.
The essence of law enFORCEment is FORCE - the societal expectation that the orders of a law enforcement officer will be obeyed, and that the officer can and will use whatever level of force is the minimum necessary to obtain compliance. Hopefully, professional standards and training assure that said force is used in a lawful manner - and, despite the occasional breakdown, that system usually works.Well, since the guy who started the group is a former LEO, I don't see the issue here - it's not like it's someone who doesn't have any experience with the law is running around there.
The essence of law enFORCEment is FORCE - the societal expectation that the orders of a law enforcement officer will be obeyed, and that the officer can in and will use whatever level of force is the minimum necessary to obtain compliance.
What if one of these self-appointed pseudo officers does a traffic stop and the subject refuses to stop, comply or submit to the subservient position it comes to "any weapons on you?".
I have absolutely no authority to demand someone I am talking to show his hands or disarm himself, and the non-officer conduction traffic stops doesn't either.
Why on earth would a citizen cop carry out a traffic stop?
The original post was in regard to a HOA that had private security that was conducting traffic stops.
The original post was in regard to a HOA that had private security that was conducting traffic stops.
Rob I do not see any HOA or traffic stops referenced in the story about the budget crunch in Josephine County in Oregon.
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Another problem is methed out tweakers that think absolutely nothing of beating the shit out of elderly people for the change in their pocket. Can we really expect them to defend themselves?...
And yes, the whole "we'll defund the sheriff's department" is a straight up extortion attempt from the government - there were many other places to cut funding from that would have hurt the voters less. The cuts were designed to cow the "subjects" into obeying - whoops.
So who is not a citizen?
Of course, seeing how the LEO/sheriffs can not defend those elderly people anyway, even if they had the duty to, which they established a long time ago they do not.
And yes, the whole "we'll defund the sheriff's department" is a straight up extortion attempt from the government - there were many other places to cut funding from that would have hurt the voters less. The cuts were designed to cow the "subjects" into obeying - whoops.
Yes the Sheriff can deputize some locals, But then he is responsible if they do something stupid, and he has failed to supervise or train them. That also costs money. Better off having them as "Unauthorized" eyes and ears.
I thought citizens were police... (citizens arrest????)I thought the police were citizens?
They don't? I've only lived in Curry County for a few years, but from what I've seen, our local agencies are quite professional and care quite a bit about their communities and neighbors. The NES typified 'JBT thing' isn't a thing out here.Of course, seeing how the LEO/sheriffs can not defend those elderly people anyway, even if they had the duty to, which they established a long time ago they do not.
And yes, the whole "we'll defund the sheriff's department" is a straight up extortion attempt from the government - there were many other places to cut funding from that would have hurt the voters less. The cuts were designed to cow the "subjects" into obeying - whoops.
[Edit: I may have misread your statement. No question the courts have ruled that L/E is not obligated to protect anyone.]
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Soldiers are citizens.
Sure is - much higher demand on county services means higher costs. Higher demand is due to higher unemployment, which, in turn, means less revenue. More expenses, less revenue. Then the double whammy of the O&C timber payments from the .gov to the counties being cut off (which is, as I understand it, fair - if the land isn't being logged, well...)
Long term fix is to get people back to work. Short term fix is money from somewhere. These departments aren't posturing - they truly are that broke. Some of the laid off deputies are personal friends of mine.
I'm fortunate to live within a city that has an outstanding municipal police department, so it doesn't directly affect me TOO much. Still indirectly affects me since it draws the tweakers to the area like methed out moths to a flame, and our neighborhood has been seemingly cased. Good neighbors and due precautions help, though.
humanity got along just fine without a standing police force, especially in rural areas and sparsely populated territories. The real problem is that laws used to be much simpler then. The difference is not "law of the jungle" vs "civilized society", it's the same thing, just attaching different labels to actors in each scenario.
Another problem is methed out tweakers that think absolutely nothing of beating the shit out of elderly people for the change in their pocket. Can we really expect them to defend themselves?
Also, keep in mind that Sheriffs Departments do a lot more than just run the jails out here. All 'dry land' SAR is run by them - even upriver is all Sheriffs Departments. USCG doesn't (can't due to water depth) handle much above the 101 bridges. Parole and probation - not run by the courts run by the Sheriffs. Firearms licensing, even though we can all agree it shouldn't exist, it does, and it's run by Sheriffs. Volunteers there, actually, since that hasn't been funded for a while and they believe in the Constitution out here.
In principle, I agree with you. Seeing the reality with my own eyes makes me feel a bit differently about it, though.
that's why I mentioned simpler laws. Right or wrong, a lot of troublemakers took leave of the gene pool fairly early, in the earlier days. This doesn't mean that injustice never happened, it just went along with power, just like it does today but in a different way. Having the burden of enforcing modern, more gentle laws takes a lot of resources, the resources that these people don't have. Many moonbats in the comments section bitch about "vigilantiism" but they don't want to fund their rosy dreams with their cash.
I don't know much about "wild" territories, aside from Slavs and some border land history. Religion played a big role there as the moral compass too, but it also created problems of different kind where the compass would go haywire.
Well, since the guy who started the group is a former LEO, I don't see the issue here - it's not like it's someone who doesn't have any experience with the law is running around there. Since he's local, he's got an interest in keeping the area safe... and since he's former LEO, he knows (one would assume) what procedures he can and should pass along to his neighbors. (hopefully, no-knock warrants are NOT one of the ones he's teaching... )
The thing that bugs me about that phrase is how similar it is to "friends with benefits"... and when you're friends with benefits, you KNOW that someone is getting screwed.
Where I live in VT is such a small town that we don't even HAVE a police department. The VSP is supposed to provide police services, but I think I've seen a statie drive through ONCE in 6 months. No worries... Col. Colt keeps our house safe. (or Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson, if my future sister-in-law is responding...).
If I remember correctly citizens also stopped the shoe bomber on the plane and a citizen stopped the bomber in NY.
As sovereign citizens they have the authority to do this.
We delegate authority to the police we do not have to surrender ours just because there are police.
The essence of law enFORCEment is FORCE - the societal expectation that the orders of a law enforcement officer will be obeyed, and that the officer can and will use whatever level of force is the minimum necessary to obtain compliance. Hopefully, professional standards and training assure that said force is used in a lawful manner - and, despite the occasional breakdown, that system usually works.
When you have persons without the lawful authority doing something more than responding to a crime in progress, it's a setup for a mess. What if one of these self-appointed pseudo officers does a traffic stop and the subject refuses to stop, comply or submit to the subservient position it comes to "any weapons on you?". I have absolutely no authority to demand someone I am talking to show his hands or disarm himself, and the non-officer conduction traffic stops doesn't either. Plus, if there are going to be encounters when a reasonable person would assume the person is a police officer, it's reasonable to require some visible display of "lack of authority". (some jurisdictions limit badge shape for private security for this reason).
I noticed the road fund for this county is ok....hmmm maybe they do a better job at money management. Control of cost and maintain better.
OK so if my boss cant afford me anymore i get the pink slip. If my services are not worth the cost I get the pink slip. Why should be any different for any paying job? As for removing funds from the road fund doesnt solve the problem...its just robbing peter to pay paul...
here in massachusetts the wildlife devission was self sufficient and actually turning in revenue until dukacus(sp?) decided to tap into it and put in genral funds.