Hand deliveredDid you guys send your CLEO notifications certified with return signature etc?
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Hand deliveredDid you guys send your CLEO notifications certified with return signature etc?
Did you guys send your CLEO notifications certified with return signature etc?
Why would you ever ever ever do that?? Nothing obligates you to prove it was even ever mailed. Don't over complicate what is not complicated to begin with.Did you guys send your CLEO notifications certified with return signature etc?
Lol, what’s that like? Are they totally confused?Hand delivered
At first it looked like he was going to put it straight into the trash, but he paused and reluctantly put it in his office. I think he was pissed that this Ahole from MA was making him work (in NH now different attitudes from the cops).Lol, what’s that like? Are they totally confused?
I just send mine to the Commonwealth AG, he’s a Soros f***er and it gives me some satisfaction.At first it looked like he was going to put it straight into the trash, but he paused and reluctantly put it in his office. I think he was pissed that this Ahole from MA was making him work (in NH now different attitudes from the cops).
After the approval?Regular stamped 1st class mail.
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No. Once you file and it's pending you send itAfter the approval?
After the approval?
LEO can be anyone from your local CLEO or the AG and anyone in between.If you don’t mind jumping in and quickly summarizing what I just read. I am trying to understand the process myself.
After filling out form 1 and the required bits and pieces (mug shot, prints etc), and notifying town LEO of your intension of building an SBR, the wait begins for feds stamp and approval.
Once you get your tax stamp from the feds, then you can proceed with the Massachusetts EFA10 for the new built lower receiver, that will be matched with the SBR upper.
This complete SBR system is now a Massachusetts registered SBR.
Is this an accurate summary?
Now,
During the fed stamp and approval wait time, you are within your rights to build or purchase the SBR upper receiver correct? And as long as you do not put it together with a “functional” lower, your are not in violation of any federal laws correct?
My understanding is that possessing the SBR upper is not a crime until it is put together with a lower without a stamp. Thanks for your input
Everything @Lxpony said and you have to have it engraved, you may as well do this while you are waiting for the approval. It has to be conspicuous and I like to challenge that when I can, it annoys me to engrave a serialized lower.If you don’t mind jumping in and quickly summarizing what I just read. I am trying to understand the process myself.
After filling out form 1 and the required bits and pieces (mug shot, prints etc), and notifying town LEO of your intension of building an SBR, the wait begins for feds stamp and approval.
Once you get your tax stamp from the feds, then you can proceed with the Massachusetts EFA10 for the new built lower receiver, that will be matched with the SBR upper.
This complete SBR system is now a Massachusetts registered SBR.
Is this an accurate summary?
Now,
During the fed stamp and approval wait time, you are within your rights to build or purchase the SBR upper receiver correct? And as long as you do not put it together with a “functional” lower, your are not in violation of any federal laws correct?
My understanding is that possessing the SBR upper is not a crime until it is put together with a lower without a stamp. Thanks for your input
I make a game out of the best places to engrave my buns. Certain SBRs like my APC9, Bren2 and ACR have totally compliant but hidden in plain sight locations.Everything @Lxpony said and you have to have it engraved, you may as well do this while you are waiting for the approval. It has to be conspicuous and I like to challenge that when I can, it annoys me to engrave a serialized lower.
Is this some kind of typo/Freudian Slip....I hope?I make a game out of the best places to engrave my buns. Certain SBRs like my APC9, Bren2 and ACR have totally compliant but hidden in plain sight locations.
I engraved my APC9SD in two consecutive low points on the picatinny rail, name in one and city state in the next. Then I mounted my Aimpoint ACRO over the engraving. Its arguable it not conspicuous but it has a quick release mount!I make a game out of the best places to engrave my buns. Certain SBRs like my APC9, Bren2 and ACR have totally compliant but hidden in plain sight locations.
Mine is inside the receiver on left side. You pull back on the charging handle and lock the bolt back and its clearly visible on the INSIDE of the receiver.I engraved my APC9SD in two consecutive low points on the picatinny rail, name in one and city state in the next. Then I mounted my Aimpoint ACRO over the engraving. Its arguable it not conspicuous but it has a quick release mount!
Incredible and also maybe not conspicuousMine is inside the receiver on left side. You pull back on the charging handle and lock the bolt back and its clearly visible on the INSIDE of the receiver.
More so then when Adco engraved by HK94 on the underside of the barrel so you needed to pop off the handguard to see it..... they said that was totally within compliance since no tools were needed to remove the handguard to view the markings. that was 2006 and the ATF hasnt come asking to see it yet....Incredible and also maybe not conspicuous![]()
As you pointed out upstream, if the ATF is showing up for an engraving infraction you have much bigger problems.More so then when Adco engraved by HK94 on the underside of the barrel so you needed to pop off the handguard to see it..... they said that was totally within compliance since no tools were needed to remove the handguard to view the markings. that was 2006 and the ATF hasnt come asking to see it yet....
Have fun with it. Pick a trust name, font and size based on making it look good. How about "Boomstick Trust", large Brush Script font, filled in with bright red paint. Remember, you can name your trust ANYTHING you want and you're required to engrave it.Everything @Lxpony said and you have to have it engraved, you may as well do this while you are waiting for the approval. It has to be conspicuous and I like to challenge that when I can, it annoys me to engrave a serialized lower.
Mine are all on the inside of the mag well lip so only visible when there isn't a magazine inserted. Also easy to remove if I were ever to remove them from the registry (why I'd ever do that, I have no idea - maybe if the republicans take control one day and abolish the ATF and NFA)Mine is inside the receiver on left side. You pull back on the charging handle and lock the bolt back and its clearly visible on the INSIDE of the receiver.
Anime Titties TrustHave fun with it. Pick a trust name, font and size based on making it look good. How about "Boomstick Trust", large Brush Script font, filled in with bright red paint. Remember, you can name your trust ANYTHING you want and you're required to engrave it.
This was my go to when eFile launched, the guy who writes these can do your trust too.I'm looking to start a family trust and submit for an SBR. Is there a good set of instructions to follow?
For what it's worth, nothing gets "removed" from the registry. A note gets appended to the file saying the item is no longer in NFA status. It's not like they remove the Form and toss it.Mine are all on the inside of the mag well lip so only visible when there isn't a magazine inserted. Also easy to remove if I were ever to remove them from the registry (why I'd ever do that, I have no idea - maybe if the republicans take control one day and abolish the ATF and NFA)
I understand. I just meant removed as a registered SBR for the purposes of selling it.For what it's worth, nothing gets "removed" from the registry. A note gets appended to the file saying the item is no longer in NFA status. It's not like they remove the Form and toss it.
pick a receiver with some room and add a logo to thatAnime Titties Trust
To be honest, I'm not sure I get the (very popular) motivation to "hide" the engraving. All my ARs are engraved right over the hammer/trigger pins, in the same font as the manufacturer's.I engraved my APC9SD in two consecutive low points on the picatinny rail, name in one and city state in the next. Then I mounted my Aimpoint ACRO over the engraving. Its arguable it not conspicuous but it has a quick release mount!