The better question is He’s going to be convicted already so why stop now? F*ck the crown.He had a storefront!
Why not get the proper license?
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The better question is He’s going to be convicted already so why stop now? F*ck the crown.He had a storefront!
Why not get the proper license?
He had a storefront!
Why not get the proper license?
1000% I don't know what he was thinking but if you are going to get out on social media trying to flex on people with your guns you better damn well have your ducks in a row t's and i's and all of that. I don't know if I can put all the blame on him because when you get your ffl they give you the crash course into what is legal but its like they introduced you to the very tip of the iceberg so he could have just been very ill informed.If you're engaged in manufacturing as an FFL you better be engraving your shit. He probably was an 01 or some shit. Nobody gets an 07 w/o SOT unless they're a moron.
yea I doubt it was the money. There had to have been something else that rustled some jimmies and the wrath was brought down on him.Probably because the extra $500/yr chapped his ass.... although my suspicions are that the "trigger event" for this was likely something else we'll never be
told about.
What is a “post sample”?ATF states post sample machine guns need serial numbers. I’m positive Ma as well as ATF will jump on it especially if this guy didn’t have the SOT to build. He could work on it but not own it nor build it out without the SOT. There are some PDFs out there from the alphabet bois.
Any machine gun manufactured or imported after 5/19/86. There are pre samples (imported after 1968 but before 5/19/86, transferrable machine guns (not imported after 1968 but registered with .gov before 5/19/86), and post samples (manufactured or imported after 5/19/86).What is a “post sample”?
How do you come up with a serial number..just select a random configuration of numbers and log it in a bound book?With an 07 and SOT you can manufacture a machine guns, how
ever you must pay the tax and file paperwork with NFA ATF and to do this the gun needs a ser. #. Also the state requires that you have a green card if you plan to leave your 07 manufacturing facility with the machine gun. You can not transport a machine gun in MA. unless you have a green card. Just like you can not carry on your FFL you still need a LTC.
I would bet the the gentleman in question had the ability to obtain said 07 and SOT.With an 07 and SOT you can manufacture a machine guns, how
ever you must pay the tax and file paperwork with NFA ATF and to do this the gun needs a ser. #. Also the state requires that you have a green card if you plan to leave your 07 manufacturing facility with the machine gun. You can not transport a machine gun in MA. unless you have a green card. Just like you can not carry on your FFL you still need a LTC.
How do you come up with a serial number..just select a random configuration of numbers and log it in a bound book?
A key difference is that a MG dealer can keep a pre sample in his/her personal collection upon surrender of the FFL, whereas a post sample must be transferred to another dealer, LE agency, or forfeited to the crown.Any machine gun manufactured or imported after 5/19/86. There are pre samples (imported after 1968 but before 5/19/86, transferrable machine guns (not imported after 1968 but registered with .gov before 5/19/86), and post samples (manufactured or imported after 5/19/86).
Post 1986 Dealer Sample.What is a “post sample”?
And non FFLs can only legally purchase the “transferrables” and can never have the pleasure of owning anything post ‘86?A key difference is that a MG dealer can keep a pre sample in his/her personal collection upon surrender of the FFL, whereas a post sample must be transferred to another dealer, LE agency, or forfeited to the crown.
Price(Pre 86) > price (pre 86 sample) > price(post 86 sample) > price (post 86 non-sample)
In order to receive a post 86 sample from another SOT dealer, the 07 must have an LE agency "demo request letter" ... which few, if any, 07s can get.
And that is the most ridiculous subjective rule of all.....must have an LE agency "demo request letter" ... which few, if any, 07s can get.
Ill own that someone but my question is who would carry the MGL license for the corporation to make post samples?Perhaps he used the logic so common on NES - declare himself an expert on gun laws; reason out what the laws mean; and consider his knowledge in the area above anyone who would imply his 07 did not make him exempt from all the laws he was violating.
We even have someone on the forum who thinks that it is legal to possess a MG in MA with an 07+SOt but no MA MGL license.
demo letter is for transferring, the 07/02 could build a post 86 machine gun for any number of legal reasons.Can you build a MG with an 07 FFL and SOT - WITHOUT and law Enforcement letter?
and to add to that since a MGL only issues to a Bonafied Collector or a firearm instructor certified by the municipal police training committee , what do you put on an application?Ill own that someone but my question is who would carry the MGL license for the corporation to make post samples?
I think a C&R FFL makes you a Bonafide Collector.and to add to that since a MGL only issues to a Bonafied Collector or a firearm instructor certified by the municipal police training committee , what do you put on an application?
It absolutely would, would every employee on the floor at troy have to be on 03 and a MGL licensee to posses a machine gun is what I was getting at.I think a C&R FFL makes you a Bonafide Collector.
There's a description above that does well to explain that the MG license is needed to transport off the premises. Employees are (in my understanding) effectively treated as supervised by the FFL license holder.It absolutely would, would every employee on the floor at troy have to be on 03 and a MGL licensee to posses a machine gun is what I was getting at.
Can be done. I acquired the Thompson and Grease Gun post samples with letters from a police detective who I did a big favor for many years ago. His dep't had an M16 on a Form 5. I transferred it out to me and then to him. He was very happy with the free M16. I was happy too, since the Tommy cost me $500 ad the GG $200. Long time ago, not so easy now. Jack.And that is the most ridiculous subjective rule of all.
Not entirely true, they can buy post samples from another 07/SOT that is exiting the business as well.In order to receive a post 86 sample from another SOT dealer, the 07 must have an LE agency "demo request letter" ... which few, if any, 07s can get.
Ill own that someone but my question is who would carry the MGL license for the corporation to make post samples?
This is why I only post emojis and NEVER any pictures of my legally owned shit!He used to post a lot on Insta and FB, don't think for a second that ATF/FBI and Maura don't watch the internet for violations, including this forum.
This is also why many of the machine gun rental places are 07+SOTs holders. The only way a dealer can get MGs now is (a) Pre 86 $$$$ (think $20K+ for an M16); (b) Post 86 sample w/LEO demo request,(c) Pre-86 dealer sample or (d) Manufacture a MG. SOTs do not require documented LE interest to manufacture a new one, but can only transfer the new inventory to other govt agencies or 07 SOTs (and then only if they have a demo request).And that is the most ridiculous subjective rule of all.
Rob said posses, not carry off premises.There's a description above that does well to explain that the MG license is needed to transport off the premises. Employees are (in my understanding) effectively treated as supervised by the FFL license holder.
After the tragedy at the Westfield MG shoot, the state clarified that there is no exemption allowing the temporary non-handling of MGs by non-MA MG license holders like there is for handguns, shotguns and rifles.Rob said posses, not carry off premises.
Almost impossible, not impossible.Can be done. I acquired the Thompson and Grease Gun post samples with letters from a police detective who I did a big favor for many years ago. His dep't had an M16 on a Form 5. I transferred it out to me and then to him. He was very happy with the free M16. I was happy too, since the Tommy cost me $500 ad the GG $200. Long time ago, not so easy now. Jack.
You forgot the pre-samples which really hurt the soul since they could be worth a ton had they been registered. If only we had a republican in office back then to veto this.This is also why many of the machine gun rental places are 07+SOTs holders. The only way a dealer can get MGs now is (a) Pre 86 $$$$ (think $20K+ for an M16); (b) Post 86 sample w/LEO demo request or (c) Manufacture a MG. SOTs do not require documented LE interest to manufacture a new one, but can only transfer the new inventory to other govt agencies of 07 SOTs (and then only if they have a demo request).