Send them to where the need is greatest , load up the ammo at target sports and deliver to MA.JBTs!!
im down to only a 3 day supply for a small skirmish .
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Send them to where the need is greatest , load up the ammo at target sports and deliver to MA.JBTs!!
I was MA guard also. We had rifles and ammo for a year at camp Edwards after 9/11 and for another year at a different location. Rifles were common post 9/11 as only MPs had pistols if I recall correctly.The last time the mass national guard carried loaded fire arms was the Springfield tornado and that was a long time ago. Not rifles either just the military police were issued loaded mags for the m9 for night patrols for looting. I was in the mass army guard for a very long time and retired last year.....I know a "few things" lol. Like how a very young and naive company commander lost his career over how that government issue 9mm was turned in. I was full time national guard and worked in the uspfo office back then. When his unit turned in their ammo after the activation was over the ammo supply point inventories every round by headstamp. His supply sergeant knew there were 5 rounds short .....went home......and grabbed 5 rounds of civilian made federal brand "9mm Luger" headstamped rounds and put those in the pile to be turned in. Supply sergeant told him "it'll be fine sir".
Bye bye army careers.
Anyway back on subject. I was activated probably 8 times over my career with the army national guard for natural disasters and never had a rifle on me for any of them. Never heard of any activations other than the Springfield tornado where they were ever issued.
I’ve been out for a while but I think that ship sailed post 9/11. There were times we were activated for bullshit like the tall ships in Boston were we were completely unarmed. I doubt they will have dudes walking around with unloaded select fire weapons and no way to defend them.How do you define armed? Does carrying an empty weapon with no ammo on the soldiers person armed?
Unlike police, it is not about everyone going home at night regardless of the cost in human life. It is not uncommon for national guard members to be ordered to carry unloaded firearms (with no ammo in possession) as a symbol of authority rather than an actual defensive tool. Someone in the guard please correct me if I am wrong about this.
But.....you had ammo and a weapon right?I was MA guard also. We had rifles and ammo for a year at camp Edwards after 9/11 and for another year at a different location. Rifles were common post 9/11 as only MPs had pistols if I recall correctly.
yes for all real world security shit we had ammo and weapons. Only times we were unarmed was for public service stuff like working the crowd at the tall ships.But.....you had ammo and a weapon right?
I used to patrol the border with East Germany, and every soldier on patrol had five rounds, and that magazine was duct-taped into a mag pouch.How do you define armed? Does carrying an empty weapon with no ammo on the soldiers person armed?
yes. probably. IF they even get a rifle.Assuming they use the guard for things like delivering food, will they be carrying guns without ammo as a show of authority?
I used to patrol the border with East Germany, and every soldier on patrol had five rounds, and that magazine was duct-taped into a mag pouch.
Nothing in the mag well, not even an empty magazine. And muzzles had to point away from the border at all times.
Meanwhile the commies were carrying C&L with 210 rounds.
Smells like pure bullshit, the local faceplant pages for Fitchburg etc (DFN, etc) would be on fire talking about that shit if it actually happened.She said that today the Guard had a checkpoint going by Walmart In Leominster (rt.117?) and they were asking random people where they were going and such.
You're not the 1st person to say that. Why the f*** was that a thing? I know a guy who went to a West German sporting shop and bought their own .223 because they were so uncomfortable with having so little ammunition. He said the cost of the rounds was outrageous ontop of it.
I carried 210 5.56x45 and 45 9x19 and no one even batted an eye. Such a weird transition.
That’s what I figured. I kind of feel bad for posting it.Smells like pure bullshit, the local faceplant pages for Fitchburg etc (DFN, etc) would be on fire talking about that shit if it actually happened.
-Mike
I read one story (maybe it was here, might have been some other board) where a dude who served near the Korean DMZ said he carried an unloaded
rifle, and there was a box or some shit near the guard station that actually had loaded mags in it.... WTAF. I was like... wow.... when I read that.
-Mike
Smells like pure bullshit, the local faceplant pages for Fitchburg etc (DFN, etc) would be on fire talking about that shit if it actually happened.
-Mike
That’s what I figured. I kind of feel bad for posting it.
Earlier today NES told me a shelter in place wouldnt happen. So it cant happen. Right?Charlie is ok with no further restrictions, just like he was ok with no checks at logan.
Let's see what he says tomorrow when medical providers run out of supplies trying to attend to more patients.
When will he activate his illegals?
Major training issue if that's whats going on. And it wouldn't surprise me. A lot of commanders pre 9/11 did not want the liability of their soldiers shooting random shit, etc. If one of their guys did, it would be the brass who would ultimately face some sort of administrative punishment which can end careers in aggressive and competitive promotional environments.
We had the "we know which ammo is yours so dont think you can replace it" lie told to us in attempt to curb soldiers from shooting at things while they weren't being well supervised. Some guys did run off and make impromptu ranges in the woods, etc. We knew that the ammo wasnt serialized or marked, it was obvious. But we didn't tell them we knew and didn't talk about it so it sorta was just a thing. The guys who shot off ammo would just replenish it at the next legit range and or take ammo off a legit range and use that to fill mags back up.
I flew out of TF Green Nov. 2001 and they had NG working the security line. As I recall they had empty rifles.As I said have been activated probably 8 tiles for natural disasters. Never once been issued a weapon .....loaded or unloaded. Only issuing of weapons for a disaster was the Springfield tornado and it was just mp doing presence patrols and they were loaded side arms.
As far as carrying an unloaded weapon......only time I ever did that was for training or transport from armory to the base to use when we got there. Was NEVER told to carry an unloaded weapon for ""posture" or to show "authority". Now....there are threat levels taken into consideration for missions with weapons. No mag in weapon. Mag in weapon not chambered.....and loaded and chambered. Take it from me ......if you see troops out there doing actual disaster relief missions (not training) and they have a rifle or side arm there is ammo present.
My experience runs 25 years in the national guard. 12 enlisted and made e6 then the rest as an officer and retired as a major. Held company command as a captain for 2 different units total time as company commander was 4.5 years. I'm fairly knowledgeable lol.
Earlier today NES told me a shelter in place wouldnt happen. So it cant happen. Right?
KatrinaThe last time the mass national guard carried loaded fire arms was the Springfield tornado and that was a long time ago. Not rifles either just the military police were issued loaded mags for the m9 for night patrols for looting. I was in the mass army guard for a very long time and retired last year.....I know a "few things" lol. Like how a very young and naive company commander lost his career over how that government issue 9mm was turned in. I was full time national guard and worked in the uspfo office back then. When his unit turned in their ammo after the activation was over the ammo supply point inventories every round by headstamp. His supply sergeant knew there were 5 rounds short .....went home......and grabbed 5 rounds of civilian made federal brand "9mm Luger" headstamped rounds and put those in the pile to be turned in. Supply sergeant told him "it'll be fine sir".
Bye bye army careers.
Anyway back on subject. I was activated probably 8 times over my career with the army national guard for natural disasters and never had a rifle on me for any of them. Never heard of any activations other than the Springfield tornado where they were ever issued.
D181 and the paving company are there nowYou mean Whitinsville? Thats was a forward support company (logistics) for an engineer battalion. I deployed to Iraq with that unit in 2009 as the company xo. They are a logistics unit and have transportation assets so they get activated now and then.
That would be GO time.
but.. with shutting everything down, it’s about the only tax mass can still get. So, probably not.
I was also the company commander of the 1182 FSC in Dorchester for 3 years.D181 and the paving company are there now
That was before Springfield tornado no?Katrina