Dog Killed By Hunter

[Adam_MA]

Don't get me wrong, I know coyote come in various colors, but none that look like this...

 

[MrsWildweasel]

Don't get me wrong, I know coyote come in various colors, but none that look like this...

Yeah, I know. And no it didn't look like that. It vary much looked like a yote

 

[Patriot]

No, not that it really matters, however I would be more apt to take a defensive posture at a Doberman off leash with no owner in sight charging at me.

My incidents in the woods were with mongrel mixes in a small pack. My incidents on the beach
(both times) were with Rottweillers, one time just a single one, the other two of them. No
breed is less aggressive when in a pack. Individually maybe, in a pack never. I'm not going to
stop and pet Fido to find out that hard way he likes hand meat, nor am I going to wait to see if
he wants to do his meat shopping on the hoof. Dogs are dangerous period. Dogs in the woods
either alone or with a pack are very dangerous, always. I treat them the way I treat any
animal I see in the woods, with a lot of caution and ready at all times to counter a threat
with deadly force if necessary. Disney cartoons are quite different from reality.

 

[Adam_MA]

+1 TBP!

If you ever want to hear some stories about dogs attacking in the woods, ask our member "Springer" he has had quite a few run-ins with off leash dogs charging him...

 

[PaulD]

My incidents in the woods were with mongrel mixes in a small pack. My incidents on the beach
(both times) were with Rottweillers, one time just a single one, the other two of them. No
breed is less aggressive when in a pack. Individually maybe, in a pack never. I'm not going to
stop and pet Fido to find out that hard way he likes hand meat, nor am I going to wait to see if
he wants to do his meat shopping on the hoof. Dogs are dangerous period. Dogs in the woods
either alone or with a pack are very dangerous, always. I treat them the way I treat any
animal I see in the woods, with a lot of caution and ready at all times to counter a threat
with deadly force if necessary. Disney cartoons are quite different from reality.

Carrying some of this stuff would be a good idea, assuming you didn't wnat to go straight to stronger measures.

http://www.rei.com/product/722005

 

[Adam_MA]

I agree with the bear spray, and just so everyone knows, you do not need an FID/LTC to buy it in this state, and the last time I was at Four Seasons, I saw some hanging up on the wall.

 

[rwl1955]

Bear spray

I agree with the bear spray, and just so everyone knows, you do not need an FID/LTC to buy it in this state, and the last time I was at Four Seasons, I saw some hanging up on the wall.

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You can buy bear spray without an FID but you can`t buy pepper spray without an FID?
Unbelievable.

 

[Martlet]

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You can buy bear spray without an FID but you can`t buy pepper spray without an FID?
Unbelievable.

Because you can only use it on bears, of course.

 

[Scrivener]

I agree with the bear spray, and just so everyone knows, you do not need an FID/LTC to buy it in this state, and the last time I was at Four Seasons, I saw some hanging up on the wall.

And just where is that exemption found in the MGL?

G.L.c. 140, § 129B. Firearm identification cards; conditions

If a firearm identification card is issued for the sole purpose of purchasing or possessing chemical mace, pepper spray or other similarly propelled liquid, gas or powder designed to temporarily incapacitate, such card shall clearly state that such card is valid for such limited purpose only.

 

[PaulD]

Because you can only use it on bears, of course.

But think of the bears!

The bear stuff also shoots about 20'. It's actually better than pepper spray.

 

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[Adam_MA]

And just where is that exemption found in the MGL?

G.L.c. 140, § 129B. Firearm identification cards; conditions

Simply because Bear repellent isn't classified as mace or pepper spray (ammo in this state), but rather a pesticide in this state.

Go into any outdoors store (REI, EMS) and where they have their bear repellent for sale, they will have a displayed permit for selling chemical pesticide.

 

[Scrivener]

Simply because Bear repellent isn't classified as mace or pepper spray (ammo in this state), but rather a pesticide in this state.

Go into any outdoors store (REI, EMS) and where they have their bear repellent for sale, they will have a displayed permit for selling chemical pesticide.

Running "bear /2 pesticide" and "bear /2 repellant" did not produce any relevant hits in the CMR or MGL. Classifying ursines with cockroaches and ants strikes me as a stretch, but I've heard of it working for getting pepper spray into Canada.

It bears looking into.

 

[pdm]

Does that mean if you use bear repellent on a mugger, you need to say how big his teeth looked and how hairy he was?

 

[PaulD]

Running "bear /2 pesticide" and "bear /2 repellant" did not produce any relevant hits in the CMR or MGL. Classifying ursines with cockroaches and ants strikes me as a stretch, but I've heard of it working for getting pepper spray into Canada.

It bears looking into.

So what would the legality be if a person used the bear repellent on certain types of bipedal pests that might enter your home without an invitation? Just curious.

 

[PaulD]

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Get yourself some "pest" spray and some cold weather clothing.

 

[Adam_MA]

So what would the legality be if a person used the bear repellent on certain types of bipedal pests that might enter your home without an invitation? Just curious.

Don't know, but if I am in my house, and I use it, it would only be to give me what time I need to draw my weapon and stop the threat. For that reason, I keep http://www.counterassault.com spray in reach of my door.

 

[N.E. CHARTERS]

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[PaulD]

Don't know, but if I am in my house, and I use it, it would only be to give me what time I need to draw my weapon and stop the threat. For that reason, I keep http://www.counterassault.com spray in reach of my door.

Yeah, I'm thinking the bear spray has a place in terms of home defense but it's not the be all and end all.

 

[GOAL]

There are a few things that need to be kept in mind here.

1. Who knows for sure it was a hunter? For all we know it could have been an off duty body guard for the governor. It could have been a neighbor with a grudge against this woman. Chances are, this doby mix frightened someone who was armed and they reacted.

2. The stories keep saying this dog was a 4 year black lab, but the pictures clearly show a doberman or rotty mix. If I saw this animal coming at me there is no way I would have thought cute labrador retriever.

3. For the conspiracy crowd, remember that we are in a big fight over sunday hunting and whether it is safe to be in the woods. PETA would not think twice about sacrificing a dog to further their agenda. Remember the Question One fight in 1996 concerning trapping and the three legged dog that was used in commercials only to find out later that the dog was hit by a car.

4. How far away was the owner from the dog that she could not have been to the scene in seconds and saw who did it.

I feel for the woman as I too am an owner of three pups, but this story originated as a slam against hunters and has not stopped being that.

 

[Adam_MA]

All good points, and your point about PETA is interesting, and I would not put it past them!

 

[drgrant]

NOTE that it is NOT limited to protecting only people.

Scriv- Under MGL, could a dog owner (who is armed) shoot a
dog that attacks his dog(s) ? The law you quoted above
seems to reference people and livestock, but not pets.

-Mike

 

[Scrivener]

Scriv- Under MGL, could a dog owner (who is armed) shoot a
dog that attacks his dog(s) ? The law you quoted above
seems to reference people and livestock, but not pets.

-Mike

Judge Powers of the Wrentham District Court seemed to think so. However, there were also livestock (sheep) involved and no written findings or conclusions.

Such cases are fairly fact-driven.

 

[billmelater]

The incident is now being used in the Sunday hunting ban fight.

http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_7670504

 

[Martlet]

The incident is now being used in the Sunday hunting ban fight.

http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_7670504

Great. Off topic, but related: While hunting today in a heavily hunted area, I saw a man walking in the woods with his son (age 6ish) and their dog. None of them were wearing orange. It seemed pretty stupid to me.

 

[red blooded american]

if i was hunting and encountered an aggressive dog i doubt i would shoot it.too many questions asked and reports written afterwards.thats why my cold steel machete always goes with me in the sticks. messy but quiet

 

[springer]

Scriv- Under MGL, could a dog owner (who is armed) shoot a
dog that attacks his dog(s) ? The law you quoted above
seems to reference people and livestock, but not pets.

-Mike

BTW, the definitions of livestock in both the Webster dictionary and wikipedia both consider dogs livestock.

 

[tele_mark]

if i was hunting and encountered an aggressive dog i doubt i would shoot it.too many questions asked and reports written afterwards.thats why my cold steel machete always goes with me in the sticks. messy but quiet

 

[dwarven1]

if i was hunting and encountered an aggressive dog i doubt i would shoot it.too many questions asked and reports written afterwards.thats why my cold steel machete always goes with me in the sticks. messy but quiet

Uh-huh. And I suppose that the dog is going to go quietly into death and not bark, whine, yelp and scream.

I can see it now...
Game warden: Tell me, sir - I see blood all over you but no deer. Are you all right? What got that blood all over you?

RBA: Uh...

Game Warden: You have the right to remain silent...

Boston Globe: CRUELTY TO ANIMALS!!!

 

[red blooded american]

self preservation, im not talking about the friendly lab strolling through the woods minding his own bussiness that pisses off a hunter by scaring off deer and taking a leak on the trees in his area.im talking about the pit bulls,rottweillers,and bullmastiffs that knuckleheads buy then want to turn into maneaters by abuse,torture, bad training,and starvation unless they learn to attack, then when the dog gets too dangerous they abandon them in the woods.if you shoot a dog broadside with a slug 20 to 30 yards away from you good luck justifying you were in fear for your life at the time.