DickWanner
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Yes, but what are your chances of winning and not looking like a Grade-A d.bag?Who says you cannot? Anyone can sue for almost anything.
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Yes, but what are your chances of winning and not looking like a Grade-A d.bag?Who says you cannot? Anyone can sue for almost anything.
*****Great story indeed, thanks for sharing.
Depends where you file suit, I guess.Yes, but what are your chances of winning and not looking like a Grade-A d.bag?
Based on what Ayoob said at the end of the story that seems like a hard call. He says that running only inflames the "wolves" - but to a jury, running makes it seem like you were doing ALL you could to get away. He also says that if he hadn't shot the guy with a full-auto rifle - he probably would have walked away from the incident.
Quite frankly if faced with a situation like that I would probably try to run - and if the guy(s) kept coming after that - you would know for sure you had a real live douchebag on your hands. Run while you can - pick a place to make your stand, and then shoot the guy - with proper "acceptable" firearm(s).
Since the jury - and the prosector(s) are unlikely to know the behavior patterns that Ayoob talked about, you could present a firm case that you felt threatened - and tried your best to get away. Only when they finally cornered you did you have to resort to self defense.
Given the way the laws are - especially in MA, I don't see how you could handle a situation like this much better.
I'm probably dense, but why do you need to run? Why does a victim need to take all venues to show they are a victim? Since when does "self defense" involve running away to be self defense? Just can't buy this concept.
I'm probably dense, but why do you need to run? Why does a victim need to take all venues to show they are a victim? Since when does "self defense" involve running away to be self defense? Just can't buy this concept.
Way to fight back in court........Yes, but what are your chances of winning and not looking like a Grade-A d.bag?
You better buy it because there are still many states where "stand your ground" is not the law. Ohio is one of them. Up until this September, Ohioans had a duty to make a reasonable attempt to retreat from any confrontation outside the home before the use of deadly force could become legal. Now we do not have to retreat if we are in our homes OR vehicles, but still must do so if out on foot.I'm probably dense, but why do you need to run? Why does a victim need to take all venues to show they are a victim? Since when does "self defense" involve running away to be self defense? Just can't buy this concept.
I'm probably dense, but why do you need to run? Why does a victim need to take all venues to show they are a victim? Since when does "self defense" involve running away to be self defense? Just can't buy this concept.
In any case, every trainer I have studied with has told me the same thing: even if it isn't your legal duty where you are, attempt to retreat and de-escalate if reasonably possible.
**********Well, look at the scenario.
He wasn't in his home, so Castle Doctrine doesn't apply. FWIW, at home, I would stand and fight, not run, I feel no "moral obligation" to avoid a conflict in my residence.
He was in a public area. So, now, he may incur a moral obligation to avoid the conflict.
So, if you're ambushed in a public place, do you wish to fight where your opponent chooses, or where you choose? Me, I'd go with where I choose.
Then, there's the hassle of trial defense. Why not make it an easy choice for the jury? Especially when the jury may be loaded with Liberal Moonbats?
Earlier this year Aware had a seminar on the use of deadly force. Two of the speakers were prominent MA defense attorneys. One is Kevin Reddington, who has successfully defended a number of self defense cases. I can't remember the name of the other fellow, but he'd been an ADA in Suffolk County for 13 years, supervising over 100 other prosecutors at one point.The scariest part of the whole scenario is the cost of defending yourself. I sure as hell don`t have the kind of money to hire a very good attorney and pay for expert witnesses.
To me, the scariest part is life without parole.