I'm considering talking to my local councilmen about promoting a motion to instruct the local PD to issue an ALP license to all applicants who are not unsuitable. Do you think this would be a good/bad idea? Do you think it would work?
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This varies by town/city. For example our COP is hired by the Town Manager and it is not a CS position. The TM is hired by the BOS, but generally keeps his fingers out of the police department.any COP that is civil service is going to tell the BOS/City Council to pound sand as they are a "strong chief" and can pretty much tell them to pound sand.
Good advice.Next time your city or town is looking to hire a COP make sure the town fathers ask his position on discretionary licensing and lobby to only hire people who support the right of the people to own and bear firearms
Look at the town charter and bylaws. Talk to a selectperson or the TM.How do I find out if the cop is at the whims of the local city council? Or not? (And no this isn't boston)
Police Chiefs are hired and fired at the authority of city/town councils. Period end of story. A city manager has to do what the council tells him or he gets fired. If the council is willing to let the hired hands tell them how to make policy they deserve to be thrown out.
I'm considering talking to my local councilmen about promoting a motion to instruct the local PD to issue an ALP license to all applicants who are not unsuitable. Do you think this would be a good/bad idea? Do you think it would work?
And who do you think is causing the COPs to do what they do. Maybe someone here, I won't name him because he may not want to speak up, could discuss what he knows about one suburban boston town where the town council gets a report of who gets a permit and flips out when they see ALP.
can you at least list the town?
This varies by town/city. For example our COP is hired by the Town Manager and it is not a CS position.
And it doesn't mean there still won't be a pissing contest between the local politicians and the local chief.
Not only that, but the chief may not be the only anti-gun person in the red town.
I think that this is a key point for folks to understand! In many cases, the chiefs are just doing the bidding of their bosses . . . I've seen this in action (not about firearms, but you get the idea)!
Quoted the whole message because it deserves to be read twice!Ok, bottom line on this is what's so very wrong in Mass.
I'm not trying to be a d*ck so please excuse me if I piss anyone off, but the truth is that these fools are in office because people seriously don't think anyone can do anything or that there is any recourse.
It's sad, but most of the folks I meet here in Lowell have never lived more than 20 miles from where they were born. That means they have no clue that the "that's the way it is" mentality of this entire state is fundamentally screwed up. People in other parts of the country don't put up with this crap.
As voters, we have the power. The pols are OUR servants, not the other way 'round.
I'm not one to say one thing and do another, so I promise you all that tommorow I'll be contacting our Mayor (who seems like a decent fella the one time I've met him) about the current situation WRT to ALPs.
If I get the run around or I'm told to F-off, I'll report it here and I will vocally oppose it in letters to the editor of the Lowell Sun and at every city council meeting from here til the time I leave town (not soon enough to suit me).
I'm one person here in Lowell. If anyone else, whether or not you wish to respond publicly in this forum will at least PM me, I'll know I'm not alone, but if I have to be alone, that's ok too.
Maybe it's tilting at windmills, but I think it's worth a shot.
The post I read about "fixing tickets" disgusted me. You shouldn't be able to "fix" tickets. That's corruption. It's part of the problem with this sh*tty state. When corruption benefits you it's just fine, and when it doesn't you complain about corruption. The system is either impersonal and follows the laws or it's corrupt. There's no two ways about it.
Anyway, enough rant, time for action. I'll report back here with info as I get it, support would be appreciated.
-Bill
Quoted the whole message because it deserves to be read twice!
Bill, I disagree with you on a lot of stuff, but you are 100% correct in this. THEY work for YOU, and you should be holding them accountable. +1 for you, and FWIW, I'm behind you on this. Good luck, and good hunting!
Lets not forget that in Carver, MA, gun owners had to get elected to the Selectman's position and then FIRE the chief.
lord1234: Your time would be better spent developing cold fusion on a workbench in your cellar. More chance of success.
I'm out of the loop on this town color code thing. What are the colors and what do they mean?
Ok, bottom line on this is what's so very wrong in Mass.
I'm not trying to be a d*ck so please excuse me if I piss anyone off, but the truth is that these fools are in office because people seriously don't think anyone can do anything or that there is any recourse.
It's sad, but most of the folks I meet here in Lowell have never lived more than 20 miles from where they were born. That means they have no clue that the "that's the way it is" mentality of this entire state is fundamentally screwed up. People in other parts of the country don't put up with this crap.
As voters, we have the power. The pols are OUR servants, not the other way 'round.
I'm not one to say one thing and do another, so I promise you all that tommorow I'll be contacting our Mayor (who seems like a decent fella the one time I've met him) about the current situation WRT to ALPs.
If I get the run around or I'm told to F-off, I'll report it here and I will vocally oppose it in letters to the editor of the Lowell Sun and at every city council meeting from here til the time I leave town (not soon enough to suit me).
I'm one person here in Lowell. If anyone else, whether or not you wish to respond publicly in this forum will at least PM me, I'll know I'm not alone, but if I have to be alone, that's ok too.
Maybe it's tilting at windmills, but I think it's worth a shot.
The post I read about "fixing tickets" disgusted me. You shouldn't be able to "fix" tickets. That's corruption. It's part of the problem with this sh*tty state. When corruption benefits you it's just fine, and when it doesn't you complain about corruption. The system is either impersonal and follows the laws or it's corrupt. There's no two ways about it.
Anyway, enough rant, time for action. I'll report back here with info as I get it, support would be appreciated.
-Bill