How do you like your LPVO to be set up? FFP, SFP, MOA, MRAD, 1-6, 1-8, 1-10, Vortex, Primary Arms, Sig, etc.

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I'm about to make a LPVO purchase and looking in the $400-$700 range and there are a number of them out there that would fit the bill. I'm currently leaning towards a Sig Tango-MSR SFP in the 1-10 magnification range. The only thing that is keeping me back is that it's MOA. All my scopes are MRAD and not sure I want to start learning MOA all over again. Though I'm hoping for a set it and forget it kind of set up. Also not sure if a 1-10 is good on a LPVO and maybe stick with a 1-6 like the original that seems to be what the Army selected.

What are you running and what do you prefer?

Thanks

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Rockrivr1 said:
I'm about to make a LPVO purchase and looking in the $400-$700 range and there are a number of them out there that would fit the bill. I'm currently leaning towards a Sig Tango-MSR SFP in the 1-10 magnification range. The only thing that is keeping me back is that it's MOA. All my scopes are MRAD and not sure I want to start learning MOA all over again. Though I'm hoping for a set it and forget it kind of set up. Also not sure if a 1-10 is good on a LPVO and maybe stick with a 1-6 like the original that seems to be what the Army selected.

What are you running and what do you prefer?

Thanks

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I have 2 Vortex PST II's 1-6 and one PST I 1-4. All have been great, no complaints and finding them on sale puts them in your price range.

The PST II's come in MIL
 
There aren’t many if any that have nailed the 1-10x range yet. They all have drawbacks that often defeat the purpose where the reticle is only functional at either high or low magnification but not both, or the eye relief and eye box is trash at high magnification. Tons of good LPVO’s in the 1-6 and many in the 1-8 range now.

I like SFP LPVO’s the best. FFP leaves you with a reticle too small at 1x or too big at max magnification to be ideal. Now with the small reticle at 1x you are forced into using the illumination, which either isn’t bright enough or won’t last.

I’ve got no experience with high end or high priced LPVO’s but quite like my Primary Arms LPVO’s for the distances I shoot here in the Northeast. If I lived out West where I was shooting further distances regularly, I’m sure higher quality glass would become more noticeable and relevant.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
I'm about to make a LPVO purchase and looking in the $400-$700 range and there are a number of them out there that would fit the bill. I'm currently leaning towards a Sig Tango-MSR SFP in the 1-10 magnification range. The only thing that is keeping me back is that it's MOA. All my scopes are MRAD and not sure I want to start learning MOA all over again. Though I'm hoping for a set it and forget it kind of set up. Also not sure if a 1-10 is good on a LPVO and maybe stick with a 1-6 like the original that seems to be what the Army selected.

What are you running and what do you prefer?

Thanks

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sig? hell no.

look for new offers in 1-8x, they are still better optically than any of 1-10x.

ffp or sfp is not that critical as it seems, really. in most ffp at 1x you will not like how the reticle looks like, most likely, so choose wisely.

old vortex 1-6x pst2 is great if you can find it CHEAP. it used to be around in some places, but no more.
i have 1-6x pst2 on the ruger sfar, it is a perfect fit there.

6x vs 8x vs 10x matters. 10x lets you see bullet holes at 100yds easy, 8x - barely, 6x will let you see only the 1" square of the target, but no bullet holes to aim at.

does it matter for shooting an actual game or target? absolutely not. but it matters for range fun is gun is accurate and you chase those bullet holes and want to see your POIs.

primary arms 1-8x is a popular item right now, probably best option out of budget choices.

or if your pockets are deep - bite the bullet and get the best:
vortexoptics.com

Razor HD Gen III 1-10x24 FFP

Please Select Reticle | 34mm Tube
vortexoptics.com vortexoptics.com

ps. ffp vs sfp does not matter as you will zero it for 50/200 and it is plain flat there, so all you'll need will be a top of the reticle.
for anything beyond 200 you will simply swivel it to max magnification.
 
paul73 said:
sig? hell no.

look for new offers in 1-8x, they are still better optically than any of 1-10x.

ffp or sfp is not that critical as it seems, really. in most ffp at 1x you will not like how the reticle looks like, most likely, so choose wisely.

old vortex 1-6x pst2 is great if you can find it CHEAP. it used to be around in some places, but no more.
i have 1-6x pst2 on the ruger sfar, it is a perfect fit there.

6x vs 8x vs 10x matters. 10x lets you see bullet hole at 100yds easy, 8x - barely, 6x will let you see only the 1" square of the target, but no bullet holes to aim at.

does it matter for shooting an actual game or target? absolutely not. but it matters for range fun is gun is accurate and you chase those bullet holes and want to see your POIs.

primary arms 1-8x is a popular item right now, probably best option out of budget choices.

or your pockets are deep - bite the bullet and get the best:
vortexoptics.com

Razor HD Gen III 1-10x24 FFP

Please Select Reticle | 34mm Tube
vortexoptics.com vortexoptics.com
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I have the 1-10x swamp fox arrowhead or something on an 18" barrel AR and it works fine for my limited uses. Would love to see the difference in clarity with the vortex.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
I'm about to make a LPVO purchase and looking in the $400-$700 range and there are a number of them out there that would fit the bill. I'm currently leaning towards a Sig Tango-MSR SFP in the 1-10 magnification range. The only thing that is keeping me back is that it's MOA. All my scopes are MRAD and not sure I want to start learning MOA all over again. Though I'm hoping for a set it and forget it kind of set up. Also not sure if a 1-10 is good on a LPVO and maybe stick with a 1-6 like the original that seems to be what the Army selected.

What are you running and what do you prefer?

Thanks

​

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1. You answered your question. MRAD.

2. FFP is good if you are going long range, won't use max mag and will.be transitioning between targets and holding over. If not, go with SFP.

3. SIG 1-10x ... ugh. That glass better be amazing and the lens big enough to gather plenty of light.
 
I'd spend a bit more and look at Vortex offerings for what you're looking for. Spend alot more and you can have...

a Trijicon VCOG 1-8x. It's built like a tank, weighs about as much, but is the best optic I currently own... and I own an Elcan Specter DR. Carity is great. Eye relief is good. Works fine as a red dot when shooting with both eyes open for close stuff. Biggest complain besides cost is weight, but I know it won't fail cuz Trijicon. This is mounted on my HK G36/SL8 w/ 18" barrel. This is the MRAD version as well.

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There is a good chance I will end up moving the Elcan to my HK MR556 as the BDC is configured for a 16" barrel. I also want to go with a lighter optic for the BCM, so I'm leaning towards an Aimpoint or another Eotech with a 5x magnifier on a QR mount.
 
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paul73 said:
sig? hell no.

look for new offers in 1-8x, they are still better optically than any of 1-10x.

ffp or sfp is not that critical as it seems, really. in most ffp at 1x you will not like how the reticle looks like, most likely, so choose wisely.

old vortex 1-6x pst2 is great if you can find it CHEAP. it used to be around in some places, but no more.
i have 1-6x pst2 on the ruger sfar, it is a perfect fit there.

6x vs 8x vs 10x matters. 10x lets you see bullet holes at 100yds easy, 8x - barely, 6x will let you see only the 1" square of the target, but no bullet holes to aim at.

does it matter for shooting an actual game or target? absolutely not. but it matters for range fun is gun is accurate and you chase those bullet holes and want to see your POIs.

primary arms 1-8x is a popular item right now, probably best option out of budget choices.

or if your pockets are deep - bite the bullet and get the best:
vortexoptics.com

Razor HD Gen III 1-10x24 FFP

Please Select Reticle | 34mm Tube
vortexoptics.com vortexoptics.com

ps. ffp vs sfp does not matter as you will zero it for 50/200 and it is plain flat there, so all you'll need will be a top of the reticle.
for anything beyond 200 you will simply swivel it to max magnification.
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Hey Paul. What about the Sig Optics that you don’t like? I’ve not owned one before but the one I was looking at had an overall rating of 4.7 out of 5 with over 500 reviews.

Really interested in why people don’t like that optic.
 
I’ve had the Vortex 1-10 for a couple years, don’t use it much anymore. If I were to buy now I might look at the primary arms ones? Apparently they’ve unlocked the secret crabby patty formula.

Don’t sleep on BDC. I’m a big mil-everything guy but if you wanna go fast and just have a useful setup, it may be the way.
 
Rockrivr1 said:
Hey Paul. What about the Sig Optics that you don’t like?
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from what i heard - BS warranty approach and overall mixed reviews from people who had to deal with their service.
if there is a choice between vortex and sig - i would always go with vortex. i do own a p365, but, i am not a sig fan, so, just not my choice of a glass.

their cheaper handgun red dots are also mostly garbage.

there is a refreshed article on this topic also, you may want look it up:
www.outdoorlife.com

The Best LPVO Scopes, Tested and Reviewed

We tested the best LPVO riflescopes' glass quality, magnification range, and reticle to determine the top do-everything scope.
www.outdoorlife.com www.outdoorlife.com
 
paul73 said:
from what i heard - BS warranty approach and overall mixed reviews from people who had to deal with their service.
if there is a choice between vortex and sig - i would always go with vortex. i do own a p365, but, i am not a sig fan, so, just not my choice of a glass.

their cheaper handgun red dots are also mostly garbage.

there is a refreshed article on this topic also, you may want look it up:
www.outdoorlife.com

The Best LPVO Scopes, Tested and Reviewed

We tested the best LPVO riflescopes' glass quality, magnification range, and reticle to determine the top do-everything scope.
www.outdoorlife.com www.outdoorlife.com
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Funny you bring that up. I called Sig today about warranty on a used Tango6T. They said they would cover regardless of owner. Just to be wary of fake units, eBay, etc.
 
lukewarm_fuzz said:
I’ve only looked at the SLx and they were “okay”. If I were to get into one I’d go for that new hot one, apparently it’s the balls.
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the 'new' that they show now are expensive ones, and they made them in SFP, and sell for the same money, which is peculiar.

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which one is the one you mentioned?
 
Clear, good glass, daylight bright, good eye box, not too busy reticle, FFP but not tiny reticle at low magnification, fast magnification adjust, positive, audible click adjustments, not too heavy, built like a tank. Basically a NF ATACR.
 
Tartakovsky said:
Clear, good glass, daylight bright, good eye box, not too busy reticle, FFP but not tiny reticle at low magnification, fast magnification adjust, positive, audible click adjustments, not too heavy, built like a tank. Basically a NF ATACR.
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Trijicon Creedo FFP is a good runner up. Double OPs budget though with these two scopes.

I’ve used a 1-8 Creedo and a 1-8 VCOG and both have strong points for either.
Glass is a little nicer on the VCOG but no good way to mount a 12 dot, easy to access AA battery location.
Turrets feel less impressive in a Creedo but plenty of 34mm mount options for dot mounting. 2032s for battery in the left side turret.
 
DarthRevan said:
Trijicon Creedo FFP is a good runner up. Double OPs budget though with these two scopes.

I’ve used a 1-8 Creedo and a 1-8 VCOG and both have strong points for either.
Glass is a little nicer on the VCOG but no good way to mount a 12 dot, easy to access AA battery location.
Turrets feel less impressive in a Creedo but plenty of 34mm mount options for dot mounting. 2032s for battery in the left side turret.
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Agree. I also have multiple Credo 1-6 and 1-8 FFPs. Half the price but NOT half the scope.
 
I have one of these on my go to AR carbine
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It is front focal plane and a true 1x
 
granitestater said:
I have one of these on my go to AR carbine
www.nightforceoptics.com

NX8 - 1-8x24mm F1

Explore precision optics trusted by the world's best hunters and tactical shooters. Nightforce riflescopes offer unmatched clarity, durability, and accuracy.
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It is front focal plane and a true 1x
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