How do you like your LPVO to be set up? FFP, SFP, MOA, MRAD, 1-6, 1-8, 1-10, Vortex, Primary Arms, Sig, etc.

[aphextwin11]

I'm about to make a LPVO purchase and looking in the $400-$700 range and there are a number of them out there that would fit the bill. I'm currently leaning towards a Sig Tango-MSR SFP in the 1-10 magnification range. The only thing that is keeping me back is that it's MOA. All my scopes are MRAD and not sure I want to start learning MOA all over again. Though I'm hoping for a set it and forget it kind of set up. Also not sure if a 1-10 is good on a LPVO and maybe stick with a 1-6 like the original that seems to be what the Army selected.

What are you running and what do you prefer?

Thanks

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I've got a sig tango 1-6 and really like it, definitely a quality product if youre a part of the poors. Got it because it was a decent value for what it was, but if I had to do it all over again I'd probably go 1-8. One thing to note is the weight - its noticably heavy if that makes any sense. As you mentioned it's MOA, but that's all I've ever used and wouldn't be able to compare in any meaningful way. Just my .02

 

[MAJoe]

Me deciphering the acronyms in the title

 

[Bonesinium]

For that price range, I'd get this and a mount of your choosing for under $400. You really need to jump in price to see significant improvements. Just going up a couple hundred, and the difference's, at least to me, are not worth it. In many regards, the trade-offs can actually make it a worse buy. Like, you pay more for a 1-8 vs the 1-6, at the expense of clarity. Or you get slightly better clarity, at the expense of more weight. Or you get better clarity with a smaller eye box and less eye relief. There's always a trade off.

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[Bodhisattva]

I’ve been doing a deep dive into LVPOs lately, as I want to upgrade my aging Millet 1-6 SFP.

All the reviews I’ve seen for the Sig 1-10 FFP say it’s great. Upon a deeper dive I found that they are the opposite. The clarity, eye box and exit pupil Is rough at 10x, A lot of chromatic aberration throughout, and even at 1x they aren’t great. Lots of fish eye, and heavy blueing, and it’s only really a true 1x at distance.

The best 1-10s are obviously the ATACR but it’s widely accepted that for what they cost, they aren’t that great. The EO Tech Vudu is highly regarded, and some feel it’s the best 1-10x available. True 1x, ultra clear throughout especially at 10x, no fish eye, great reticle, and daylight bright. The Razor again is regarded as a good choice, but again not a great value at its price.

The consensus I’ve found is don’t go beyond a 1-8. If you really want that 10x, go with 2-10/12 and an off set or piggy back Red Dot.

The PA SLX is well regarded for the money, but it’s just OK. The PLX and PLXc are very highly regarded, but you’re gonna pay for it.

The Arken 1-10 is a good choice, but the reticle kinda sucks. It’s not really well laid out like the PA offerings, and you need to figure out your own holds, and is pretty complicated.

I’m kinda bummed about the Sig. the 1-6 FFP and SFP are highly regarded for a low cost LVPO. But I want just a little more than 6x, hence why I’ve been looking at 8 and 10x.

As of right now I’m stuck on the PA 1-8 SLX FFP, as I can get the LVPO, mount, piggy back red dot, and appropriate top cap for under $700 shipped.

 

[lukewarm_fuzz]

I’ve been doing a deep dive into LVPOs lately, as I want to upgrade my aging Millet 1-6 SFP.

All the reviews I’ve seen for the Sig 1-10 FFP say it’s great. Upon a deeper dive I found that they are the opposite. The clarity, eye box and exit pupil Is rough at 10x, A lot of chromatic aberration throughout, and even at 1x they aren’t great. Lots of fish eye, and heavy blueing, and it’s only really a true 1x at distance.

The best 1-10s are obviously the ATACR but it’s widely accepted that for what they cost, they aren’t that great. The EO Tech Vudu is highly regarded, and some feel it’s the best 1-10x available. True 1x, ultra clear throughout especially at 10x, no fish eye, great reticle, and daylight bright. The Razor again is regarded as a good choice, but again not a great value at its price.

The consensus I’ve found is don’t go beyond a 1-8. If you really want that 10x, go with 2-10/12 and an off set or piggy back Red Dot.

The PA SLX is well regarded for the money, but it’s just OK. The PLX and PLXc are very highly regarded, but you’re gonna pay for it.

The Arken 1-10 is a good choice, but the reticle kinda sucks. It’s not really well laid out like the PA offerings, and you need to figure out your own holds, and is pretty complicated.

I’m kinda bummed about the Sig. the 1-6 FFP and SFP are highly regarded for a low cost LVPO. But I want just a little more than 6x, hence why I’ve been looking at 8 and 10x.

As of right now I’m stuck on the PA 1-8 SLX FFP, as I can get the LVPO, mount, piggy back red dot, and appropriate top cap for under $700 shipped.

This is the reply this thread deserved

 

[Tartakovsky]

I’d love to get a NF but it’s just not in the cards for this one.

You can typically find used Trijicon Credo 1-6x FFPs for around $700-$800. That’s the way I would go. Check out Arfcom and Tacswap.

 

[VTski4x4]

I’ve been doing a deep dive into LVPOs lately, as I want to upgrade my aging Millet 1-6 SFP.

All the reviews I’ve seen for the Sig 1-10 FFP say it’s great. Upon a deeper dive I found that they are the opposite. The clarity, eye box and exit pupil Is rough at 10x, A lot of chromatic aberration throughout, and even at 1x they aren’t great. Lots of fish eye, and heavy blueing, and it’s only really a true 1x at distance.

The best 1-10s are obviously the ATACR but it’s widely accepted that for what they cost, they aren’t that great. The EO Tech Vudu is highly regarded, and some feel it’s the best 1-10x available. True 1x, ultra clear throughout especially at 10x, no fish eye, great reticle, and daylight bright. The Razor again is regarded as a good choice, but again not a great value at its price.

The consensus I’ve found is don’t go beyond a 1-8. If you really want that 10x, go with 2-10/12 and an off set or piggy back Red Dot.

The PA SLX is well regarded for the money, but it’s just OK. The PLX and PLXc are very highly regarded, but you’re gonna pay for it.

The Arken 1-10 is a good choice, but the reticle kinda sucks. It’s not really well laid out like the PA offerings, and you need to figure out your own holds, and is pretty complicated.

I’m kinda bummed about the Sig. the 1-6 FFP and SFP are highly regarded for a low cost LVPO. But I want just a little more than 6x, hence why I’ve been looking at 8 and 10x.

As of right now I’m stuck on the PA 1-8 SLX FFP, as I can get the LVPO, mount, piggy back red dot, and appropriate top cap for under $700 shipped.

This is exactly what I did. SLX 1-8 FFP in a reptila mount with an RMR mounted at 12* forward.

 

[DarthRevan]

You can typically find used Trijicon Credo 1-6x FFPs for around $700-$800. That’s the way I would go. Check out Arfcom and Tacswap.

I would recommend this route. Or wait for a sale at an online vendor. As much as I don’t like the Creedo turrets, the rest of it is a good value.

 

[frenchman]

I’m not a big fan of Vortex, but the only optic from them that I kept is a Viper PST 1-6 gen 2. Heavy, but it’s like 80% of the Razor for 1/3 of the price. Best value out there IMO. I shot a friend’s SIG MSR 1-10. Not a fan. Honestly, from 8-10 the sight picture was a disgrace. The 6T is ridiculously overpriced. You pay what the army pays. Of anything out there, I’d go with the Nightforce NX8 1-8 OVER ANYTHING 1-10 on the market right now. You can get them at Eurooptic as demo/used in mil or MOA.
1st or 2nd focal plane is a matter of personal preference, so is MOA vs MIL. It really all depends on your budget. Kahles puts out a great 1-6 as well. As a matter of fact, in the 1-6 and 1-8 categories, your budget will be the limiting factor. Buying optics means A LOT of research if you want to do it right.

 

[SHOCKNAWE]

I love my Trijicon Credo 1x6

 

[M1911]

I have a Vortex HD Gen IIe 1-6x with the JM-1 optical. It is SFP. At 6x I would say that the eye relief ... sucks. I don't have a lot of experience with scopes, and certainly not much at this price range (this is an expensive piece of glass). I had assumed this would be awesome, but I'm disappointed. It is also pretty damn heavy. Maybe I just don't like LVPOs?

 

[paul73]

I’ve been doing a deep dive into LVPOs lately, as I want to upgrade my aging Millet 1-6 SFP.

All the reviews I’ve seen for the Sig 1-10 FFP say it’s great. Upon a deeper dive I found that they are the opposite. The clarity, eye box and exit pupil Is rough at 10x, A lot of chromatic aberration throughout, and even at 1x they aren’t great. Lots of fish eye, and heavy blueing, and it’s only really a true 1x at distance.

The best 1-10s are obviously the ATACR but it’s widely accepted that for what they cost, they aren’t that great. The EO Tech Vudu is highly regarded, and some feel it’s the best 1-10x available. True 1x, ultra clear throughout especially at 10x, no fish eye, great reticle, and daylight bright. The Razor again is regarded as a good choice, but again not a great value at its price.

The consensus I’ve found is don’t go beyond a 1-8. If you really want that 10x, go with 2-10/12 and an off set or piggy back Red Dot.

The PA SLX is well regarded for the money, but it’s just OK. The PLX and PLXc are very highly regarded, but you’re gonna pay for it.

The Arken 1-10 is a good choice, but the reticle kinda sucks. It’s not really well laid out like the PA offerings, and you need to figure out your own holds, and is pretty complicated.

I’m kinda bummed about the Sig. the 1-6 FFP and SFP are highly regarded for a low cost LVPO. But I want just a little more than 6x, hence why I’ve been looking at 8 and 10x.

As of right now I’m stuck on the PA 1-8 SLX FFP, as I can get the LVPO, mount, piggy back red dot, and appropriate top cap for under $700 shipped.

Arken 1-10x from what I heard is no better than primary arms and others in that price segment as it’s all about lenses used and you can’t expect miracles in that price segment.

Good stuff is nightforce 1-8x, that new primary arms 1-8x, and as anything else in $1.5k segment- kinda asks for a good use case to justify spending that much.

 

[Bodhisattva]

This is exactly what I did. SLX 1-8 FFP in a reptila mount with an RMR mounted at 12* forward.

I would love to hear your thoughts on this set up. It’s exactly what I was looking mount and all. Leaves me room to upgrade the optic into a high quality mount. I’m kinda torn. I might just stay with a 6x and upgrade to better quality FFP LVPO.

Arken 1-10x from what I heard is no better than primary arms and others in that price segment as it’s all about lenses used and you can’t expect miracles in that price segment.

I agree with you. The big thing why it regarded as “good” is the price point and it comes with a mount. Granted the mount is junk, but it allows you to get it on the gun and start shooting and learning with it while you save for a better mount. One thing to remember I have zero hands on with any of these optic except the Vudu. I’m just regurgitating what I’ve read or watched in vids. And with the Vudu, it was only about 200 rounds during one of our “training” (range play/LARP) days.

 

[VTski4x4]

I would love to hear your thoughts on this set up. It’s exactly what I was looking mount and all. Leaves me room to upgrade the optic into a high quality mount. I’m kinda torn. I might just stay with a 6x and upgrade to better quality FFP LVPO.


I agree with you. The big thing why it regarded as “good” is the price point and it comes with a mount. Granted the mount is junk, but it allows you to get it on the gun and start shooting and learning with it while you save for a better mount. One thing to remember I have zero hands on with any of these optic except the Vudu. I’m just regurgitating what I’ve read or watched in vids. And with the Vudu, it was only about 200 rounds during one of our “training” (range play/LARP) days.

So far I'm very happy with it. I've seen some reviews that say the 1-6 is "better" but I'm very happy with the 1-8. Mine is 1-8 FFP w/ACSS Raptor. Glass is better than expected, great illumination, and I like the reticle. It's also pretty damn light at 17oz without the mount which doesn't sound super light, but the difference between my LED ACOG setups and the 1-8 is definitely noticeable. Would I have preferred something nicer? Sure, and I still would down the road - but being a realist, this won't be my SHTF pick anyways. It's a good solid setup, and it fit the budget (had to be strict about $$ this time). I'm not displeased or let down by it at all!

 

[Bodhisattva]

So far I'm very happy with it. I've seen some reviews that say the 1-6 is "better" but I'm very happy with the 1-8. Mine is 1-8 FFP w/ACSS Raptor. Glass is better than expected, great illumination, and I like the reticle. It's also pretty damn light at 17oz without the mount which doesn't sound super light, but the difference between my LED ACOG setups and the 1-8 is definitely noticeable. Would I have preferred something nicer? Sure, and I still would down the road - but being a realist, this won't be my SHTF pick anyways. It's a good solid setup, and it fit the budget (had to be strict about $$ this time). I'm not displeased or let down by it at all!

Thank you. What’s your thoughts on durability? I know it’s not intended to be hard use, but do you think it can take some abuse? I want to use it on my “Go To” rifle set up for GP use, with intent to replace it in a year to year and a half when I can afford something that’s a known hard use LVPO.

This is one of the reasons I’ve been thinking of dropping down to a 6x.

 

[VTski4x4]

Thank you. What’s your thoughts on durability? I know it’s not intended to be hard use, but do you think it can take some abuse? I want to use it on my “Go To” rifle set up for GP use, with intent to replace it in a year to year and a half when I can afford something that’s a known hard use LVPO.

This is one of the reasons I’ve been thinking of dropping down to a 6x.

I think it's more durable that one would expect from a sub $1k LPVO. There's more than one video on YouTube of people smashing it on a table, hitting it on their tailgate, and dropping it, and it not losing zero.

 

[Mountain]

I’ve been doing a deep dive into LVPOs lately, as I want to upgrade my aging Millet 1-6 SFP.

All the reviews I’ve seen for the Sig 1-10 FFP say it’s great. Upon a deeper dive I found that they are the opposite. The clarity, eye box and exit pupil Is rough at 10x, A lot of chromatic aberration throughout, and even at 1x they aren’t great. Lots of fish eye, and heavy blueing, and it’s only really a true 1x at distance.

The best 1-10s are obviously the ATACR but it’s widely accepted that for what they cost, they aren’t that great. The EO Tech Vudu is highly regarded, and some feel it’s the best 1-10x available. True 1x, ultra clear throughout especially at 10x, no fish eye, great reticle, and daylight bright. The Razor again is regarded as a good choice, but again not a great value at its price.

The consensus I’ve found is don’t go beyond a 1-8. If you really want that 10x, go with 2-10/12 and an off set or piggy back Red Dot.

The PA SLX is well regarded for the money, but it’s just OK. The PLX and PLXc are very highly regarded, but you’re gonna pay for it.

The Arken 1-10 is a good choice, but the reticle kinda sucks. It’s not really well laid out like the PA offerings, and you need to figure out your own holds, and is pretty complicated.

I’m kinda bummed about the Sig. the 1-6 FFP and SFP are highly regarded for a low cost LVPO. But I want just a little more than 6x, hence why I’ve been looking at 8 and 10x.

As of right now I’m stuck on the PA 1-8 SLX FFP, as I can get the LVPO, mount, piggy back red dot, and appropriate top cap for under $700 shipped.

I ordered the Eotech Vudu based on features and feedback. I much prefer FFP and also prefer a 'Christmas tree' reticle. I'll report back in this thread once I've tried it at the range.