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You only care that your class of people are allowed something that regular people aren't?
You only care that your class of people are allowed something that regular people aren't?
Blame our enemies at MCOPA, rumor (I read it somewhere) is that they are the ones who lobbied for that to be included in the law. And they botched that job too from what I've been told, it won't cover nearly as many LEOs as they had thought and the day you hand in your badge (retire), everyone (EOPS Legal) claims that they will become instant felons. So you can lobby your PD and DA to instantly arrest and prosecute them under 269-10 and send them away for 10 years.
Blame our enemies at MCOPA, rumor (I read it somewhere) is that they are the ones who lobbied for that to be included in the law. And they botched that job too from what I've been told, it won't cover nearly as many LEOs as they had thought and the day you hand in your badge (retire), everyone (EOPS Legal) claims that they will become instant felons. So you can lobby your PD and DA to instantly arrest and prosecute them under 269-10 and send them away for 10 years.
But then there is the question of what is a "retired" LEO, and it always seems to come down to getting a pension and what union your type of LEO belongs to. So that really good guy who worked as a part time officer for 20 years doesn't count. Screw him when the people he put in jail come looking, cause part time!
What about us ? Why off duty can you have an extra Killy thingy?LE are now exempt from the large cap magazine ban and the collapsible stock ban. This I know (all I cared about) Also John Q can carry OC without a permit.
What about us ? Why off duty can you have an extra Killy thingy?
Blame our enemies at MCOPA, rumor (I read it somewhere) is that they are the ones who lobbied for that to be included in the law. And they botched that job too from what I've been told, it won't cover nearly as many LEOs as they had thought and the day you hand in your badge (retire), everyone (EOPS Legal) claims that they will become instant felons. So you can lobby your PD and DA to instantly arrest and prosecute them under 269-10 and send them away for 10 years.
"As someone obligated to go thru biennial training in the MA Ethics Laws/Regs,"
considering the last 3 ma. speakers of the house were convicted felons, this must be the shortest book ever written.
the wording is in because its a no brainer, dont piss off cop votes and the NESERs were probably not voting for the supporters of the gun control bill anyway.Understand that the average cop isn't a gun person, could care less and would honestly prefer not to have to carry one. Most are happy to give them back when they hang it up. And they won't spend a dime out of their own pocket for ammo (to practice or carry additional) or mags to ensure that they don't ever run out if they were to get into a firefight.
The only LEOs who really will benefit from this (whether we like it or not) are those cops that are gun people, belong to gun clubs, carry off-duty (very, very tiny percentage in MA), carry extra mags and ammo (bought at their own expense) with them on duty at all times (just in case), etc. The cops that are active on forums such as this will benefit. 6 to 12 months from now I could go up to all but 3 officers in my department and mention this law and I KNOW that it will be the first time they would have ever heard about it.
MA chiefs do a lot to dissuade their troops from carrying off-duty, impair their ability to comply with LEOSA and some rarely (if ever) issue LEOSA-compliant retired IDs. MCOPA lobbied hard AGAINST LEOSA, so if anyone thinks that those same dinosaurs want this special privilege for their officers (who in general they don't give a damn about), think again. I don't know where this modification of the bill started, but I'm sure that it wasn't MCOPA based on their past actions.
Yes at least one active LEO was charged with possessing a new AW and new large cap mags previously. No idea of outcome.
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...- Retirees can ONLY possess that which was OWNED by their department and GIFTED to them upon retirement, nothing more. Well, in the old days it was common to gift a retiring officer his/her gun, etc. Nowadays the Ethics Commission has ruled receiving gifts to be illegal. Plus it would have to be put out to bid to the highest bidder (public) if a gov't agency was disposing of something of value. Thus, EOPS says this is a no-go.
As someone obligated to go thru biennial training in the MA Ethics Laws/Regs, I understand the second part issue (gifting)...
I'd be surprised if jail time, fines, or loss of license resulted from this.
Of course, if they declare it to have no value, that would be one "work around" (kind of like selective enforcement). That, and through actual selective enforcement, who would fight them on this?
Yes at least one active LEO was charged with possessing a new AW and new large cap mags previously.
Source/link?
No idea. Other then a couple things about the arrest, there isn't a single mention of what happened afterwards anywhere. Charges dropped, plea deal, found not guilty, guilty, nothing. No follow-up.
Do you think that the law changing recently for LEO's may make a difference?
Please read this thread.
According to EOPS, the answer is No.