I've been on the road a lot lately and it seems like I'm seeing more traps and more cruisers. Also it looks like the state troopers are riding with partners. I saw two doubled up cruisers just this morning on the pike. Anyone else notice this?
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Is it just me or are there more MA staties out there?
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They just graduated a class of around 280 something troopers....so it's not surprising.
I seem to remember a thread within the last few weeks talking about the first class of new State Troopers in some number of years - hitting the roads recently.
So you're probably not imagining things. There really are a bunch of newbies out there.
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Lift with a guy that is a statie... said he has one of the newbies riding with him and its cramping his style bigtime.
Route 2 near Concord Friday spotted a cruiser riding double (passenger looked like he was running plates) weaving in and out of rush hour traffic flagging victims. I hadn't really seen something that deliberate until last week...
Yep, noticed this too. Sometimes just construction detail, but also more speed traps and bagged drivers, too.
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Well I drove about 3 miles south to go to dinner tonight, and passed 5 staties, 1 black crown vic with 2 officers in it had someone pulled over. From Christmas until the end of march, I did not see one statie or speed trap on 495 between lowell and haverhill, since then I have seen many and almost been bagged 3 times. The morning of the marlboro show I blew by a statie sitting in the median between some trees while I was doing 90, he didnt even look up from his laptop ![[bow]](/xen/styles/default/xenforo/smilies.vb/027.gif "Bow [bow]")
I think they switched out some cars between barracks or replaced them, I dont see any of the same undercovers anymore.
I think they switched out some cars between barracks or replaced them, I dont see any of the same undercovers anymore.
Heading north on 495 yesterday there was a statie on the side of the road aiming his radar (or whetever it was) at the cars already
by him. I thought it was strange as there were no other cruisers up ahead.
by him. I thought it was strange as there were no other cruisers up ahead.
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Newbie gunslinging kids dressing up like nazis, and I'm supposed to feel safe? I'm suprised we didn't read about more dead innocents....or is that slated for the next couple of weeks?
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That's a cheap shot...not worthy of you. I don't know where you get the Nazi connection either. The MSP uniform was modeled after the French Officer uniform of WWI.
A trooper was wounded this past Friday in Chicopee.
Everybody has to start sometime in a new position. Many of the new troopers are military veterans and somewhat older.
The authorized sworn strength of the MSP is 2,532. Before the new class hit the streets there were 2,037 sworn personnel and about 400 non-sworn personnel. 208 not 280 graduated and are now doing OJT which is why you see two Troopers in many cruisers. This was the first class of new recruits to graduate in five years.
There are a lot of things that I don't like about the corporate culture of the MSP, believe me, and that is from an insider's perspective, but I certainly wouldn't characterize the new probationary troopers as trigger-happy nazis.
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I personally don't think there needs to be as many State police as there are. I drive from Fairhaven to the Cape for work. I pass one about twice a week who always appears to be asleep in a woods covered path between 195E and 195W. I pass another 2 on average on route 25.
If I'm seeing an average of 3 each day on a 30 minute drive. I just think there are too many. I can't drive 20 minutes to the Dartmouth mall without passing at least one. I'm all about a police force that is of sufficient size to meet the need. But this is excessive.
If I'm seeing an average of 3 each day on a 30 minute drive. I just think there are too many. I can't drive 20 minutes to the Dartmouth mall without passing at least one. I'm all about a police force that is of sufficient size to meet the need. But this is excessive.
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This is MA, you want every officer to park their cruiser in the driveway? We have the money in the budget for that, sure.
Yeah and a pony too.
Less than half of the State Police are dedicated to the Division of Field Services (uniform personnel) the rest are involved in investigations, forensics, ballistics, and such duties as driver license examiners, title certification and salvage, air wing, marine (boat) units, fire marshal's office, gang units, Joint Terrorism Task Force, as well as all homicide investigations for the Commonwealth except for Boston, Springfield, and Worcester as well as critical infrastructure analysis, CERT Team, STOP Team and a few other units that I am probably not aware of.
Unfortunately people like ThePreBanMan only see traffic enforcement as the primary duty, then you miss the whole point. Everyone's plate has gotten a lot fuller in the last five years, including mine and I'm not sworn. I welcome the additional sworn staff and hope that funding is available at some point for additional civilian hires.
If you see anyone sleeping on duty, report it to General Headquarters in Framingham. That's the last thing anyone wants.
Like I said before I have my issues with the MSP, but when I see uninformed and flippant comments, I do get a little peeved. If you get stopped and ticketed chances are you were violating the traffic laws, which are, I am afraid selectively enforced mainly because every offender cannot be caught. if you don't want a ticket, don't violate the traffic laws, pretty simple, I think, otherwise take your chances.
From a historical perspective, the MSP was a fairly small organization until the state decided to merge the Metropolitan District Police, the Capitol Police, the Registry Police and the State Police into one big organization at the time and the people of Massachusetts thought that was just jim-dandy, so now you are complaining that the MSP is too big.
With regard to every sworn member of the MSP being issued cruisers 24/7, I think that needs to be revisited. Troopers are not allowed to use the cruisers off duty (other states have the same policy and allow their personnel to use the vehicles off duty). How this came about as I understand it is interesting. Until the 1970's the Uniform Branch of the State Police lived in the barracks during a five day duty week. They could only go home and spend time with their families on break days. Some of the old-timers told me that the bus lines used to give them free rides to their hometowns. Remember that this was in a time when the MSP was a low paying job and a lot of them only had one private car which they left with their wives. When the movement began to get the troopers out of living in the barracks, a deal was struck, they could live at home but they would be issued a vehicle so that they could be deployed at anytime and virtually anywhere in the Commonwealth. Of course, gas was cheap then, and there weren't that many troopers (well under 1000).I have also been told another unintended consequence was when the troopers could live at home, the divorce rate went up ! Things changed, their union SPAM (State Police Assn of Mass) got more powerful and then with the merger of all the state police agencies in 1994, a really sweetheart deal was cut, to make it appealing to all of the officers who were being absorbed into the MSP. Personally, I think the 24/7 cruiser issue needs to be revisited in light of the current situation. It is an unintended consequence from a bygone era.
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This is MA, you want every officer to park their cruiser in the driveway? We have the money in the budget for that, sure.
Other states give their officers take home cars and allow them to use them off-duty.
I was under the impression that it was the other way around, and the gestapo actually chose to model their uniform after what the MSP was wearing back in the 30s.
In other words, the troopers didn't dress up like Nazis. The Nazis dressed up like Mass state troopers.
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i also have noticed a increase in speed traps between lowell and burlington on route 3, have noticed they are working in pairs, i have no problem with it, they do more good than bad and are usually there to help you out when you call on them for example a accident, indirectly there is a change they affected your life in a positive way and there is no way to quantify it, hypothetically that under influenced driver they bagged could have smashed into and killed your wife, girlfriend or daughter. The only incident that really rubbed me the wrong way is when a lowell cop pulled me over, once I was ticketed he asked that i turn on my radar detector, i did what i asked thinking it was a odd request. He took his radar gun and blasted it directly into the detector, dick move and a destruction of property still pisses me off to this day 6 years later but I settle myself thinking he might have done good over all once you take away the injustices.....just my 2 cents
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Think of what would happen if everyone would just not violate traffic laws. No more revenue for the state. Every time you speed, run a red light or do anything else "illegal", you are lining the pockets of the police state. I have been stopped twice in the past 6 or so years and both times were for nonsense and resulted in a warning.
Stop allowing yourselves to be victimized by the machine. Leave 10 minute early for work and enjoy a nice relaxed commute with your favorite morning radio show and a cup of coffee. If you find yourself running late, just call and tell someone you will be a few minuites late. Those of you getting tickets and paying into the system are part of the problem. Starve the beast.
Stop allowing yourselves to be victimized by the machine. Leave 10 minute early for work and enjoy a nice relaxed commute with your favorite morning radio show and a cup of coffee. If you find yourself running late, just call and tell someone you will be a few minuites late. Those of you getting tickets and paying into the system are part of the problem. Starve the beast.
I've heard that one too, but only it was the S.S. not the Gestapo. One now retired state police captain told me this, and even added the fiction that Hitler visited Boston in the middle 1930's and that is where he got the inspiration. (I tried not to roll my eyes when I heard that one
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) There is absolutely no historical evidence to support this and the State Police Uniforms are actually not very different from a lot of other state police agencies here in the Northeast. For my money. Rhode Island has the best looking state police uniform in the country. I mentioned this to a high ranking RI state police official one time, and he said yes and that their uniforms had even won some kind of award for having the best looking state police uniform in the nation.
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Good for the other states . We shouldn't.
As do most other local agencies. What's funny is when a local cop runs an MSP undercover car plate and find that there is no assigned registration...it really happens
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right!! at the time is was the top of the line Escort Passport 8500 it still worked after what the cop did but I noticed a significant increase in false alerts and lost my confidents in it, it was definitely damaged, it became annoying and I throw it in my closet a few months later were it still sits there today. I never replaced it, I found being alert, looking ahead, watching to see if traffic far ahead slams on there brakes and just not exceeding the flow of traffic has treated me good, six years without a ticket and counting...and includes my so called cop magnet viper in bright red...i dont screw around in it and I have never been stopped in three years of owning it
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