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LT5 said:
Back in the day lol I’d have taken that challenge in my 91 talon turbo awd any day.
Sorry bro but “that” car ripped in the snow.
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Yup! I owned one of those too, and it's a major reason I had to have the only AWD Corvette.
 
M1911 said:
If you’ve run out of grip, adding throttle isn’t going to make things better.

I learned to drive in 1976. I’ve driven RWD cars in the snow. I’ve hung the rear out for miles, just for fun, back when I was young and irresponsible.

Fundamentally, cornering performance in snow is down to the grip of your tires.
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I disagree that throttle will never make things better. It is possible to drive either FWD or AWD around a corner by pointing the front wheels where you want to end up, holding the gas on and ignoring what the back decides to do. Not as risk free as approaching the corner at a sane speed, but a viable alternative to understeering off the road by just letting it continue not steering.

Fundamentally, cornering performance in snow is down to the grip of your tires.
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And if you decide to only use the lateral grip available to your tires, you are denying yourself part of their available performance. If you've exceeded the lateral grip so they're not steering, why wouldn't you use an acceleration in a direction they are still capable of to get around the corner?
 
Mountain said:
You came to the right place for instructions:

Have your son swallow the bullets, go get x-ray pics, call amberlamps chaser law firm, profit. Take video of the x-ray and also when your son passes the bullets, which will be sure to get enough hits on Youtube for further profit. Send us the link and we'll cross-post it here once the hits start to die down.

They can't arrest your son because he is underage, so be sure to wipe your fingerprints from the magazine and bullets.

(disclaimer: If you did not immediately pick up on the sarcasm, please don't have any more kids. The answer to both of your questions is "no".)
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After that childhood incident when I accidentally swallowed a watermelon seed and had a baby watermelon 9 months later, I would be rather worried about eating bullets. What if they sprouted into a whole gun? That takes Prison Carry to a hole new level.
 
namedpipes said:
After that childhood incident when I accidentally swallowed a watermelon seed and had a baby watermelon 9 months later, I would be rather worried about eating bullets. What if they sprouted into a whole gun? That takes Prison Carry to a hole new level.
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Plus if you had some Taco Bell, ATF would show up claiming you were an illegal machine gun. Might be worth it to see them gathering evidence.
 
lsparrow42 said:
I'm in georgia. A deputy lost his magazine, to his pistol, in my yard, while chasing someone. My underage son found it. I am mad because of the safety issue. This was 4 days ago. The police found out by word of mouth that it was found. They are coming to retrieve it. My son did not know that it belonged to police when he found it. Can they arrest me? Can I sue them?
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kingfisher said:
Yup! I owned one of those too, and it's a major reason I had to have the only AWD Corvette.
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Yeah I imagine that thing can shit and git.

90 ZR1 here and let’s just say that I couldn’t cut a good 60’ time in it if my life depended on it.
She does have good legs though and has humbled many folks rolling out at 50.
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M1911 said:
I’m sorry, but ultimate lateral grip is a function of tires not AWD. If you are driving in snow and go into a corner too fast, AWD isn’t going to keep you from understeering off the road.
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Sure, go in too fast, break the front tires loose, and welcome to the curb. However, edge cases are not the best point from which to argue. If you are driving in the snow and go into a corner at a speed where you still have lateral traction, the additional component thrust in the direction in which the wheels are pointing adds an additional rotational component. As long as you still have traction, providing an ability to rotate the wheels without using some of that available traction can increase the amount left for cornering..


M1911 said:
And AWD != 4x4.
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This is a pretty big oversimplification. Sure, many AWD cars use an open differential in the driveline to move power fore and aft. However, not all are the same. The 2004 Passat mentioned above used a Torsen center LSD, which provides a pretty good approximation of a locked transfer case if you have not broken both wheels on either axle free, as did the clutch-based transfer system in a couple of BMWs.


M1911 said:
I learned to drive in 1976. I’ve driven RWD cars in the snow. I’ve hung the rear out for miles, just for fun, back when I was young and irresponsible.

Fundamentally, cornering performance in snow is down to the grip of your tires.
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And I learned to drive in 1975. I've owned and driven pretty much every driveline out there (RWD, FWD, AWD, 4x4, RWD open differential , RWD and 4x4 LSD in back, 4x4 LSD front and back. AWD with center LSD, clutch xfer case in center with traction control) in all kinds of weather. Cornering performance in snow comes down to the tires, but how each system applies and effects that performance varies greatly.
 
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Agnotology said:
I remember trying to explain to someone that, assuming 50/50 weight distribution, a RWD car with snow tires would perform better in the snow than an AWD vehicle with all seasons.

My first car, and 89 4 cylinder mustang kicked ass in the snow with 4 blizzaks.
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A) you ain’t wrong
B) Only because it didn’t have enough torque to break traction.
 
rali said:
A) you ain’t wrong
B) Only because it didn’t have enough torque to break traction.
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It absolutely did, but required a firm kick. 88 hp isn't much, but it doesn't take much to move the ass end around on snow when there's next to no weight in the back, 120 lbs-ft of torque, available low and with short gearing in first. Sure, 0-60 was also it's quarter mile time, but it got around. When I first got it, I dug around for what was available to tweak it. It was quite easy with a new intake, exhaust, and camshaft, deck it and tune it utilizing 93 octane could take it up to 150 RWHP. Lima engines were stout, and stood up well to boost. However, that's $1200 worth of parts + labor / your time + tuning in a time where you could swap a Nissan 4 cylinder in from the 240 SX and have 155 HP, 160 lb-ft torque, and a lot more modification potential. Or just find a junkyard 302 or 351, both bolt directly up to the T-5.

edit: but back to the car in question. It accelerated well in snow, and forward traction was never an issue. Even in 18" of unplowed snow, there would be my tire tracks and 10" of snow behind me. I did get stuck in a drift once, but that was 3 feet deep. A few minutes of shoveling and I was free.
 
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Agnotology said:
but back to the car in question. It accelerated well in snow, and forward traction was never an issue. Even in 18" of unplowed snow, there would be my tire tracks and 10" of snow behind me. I did get stuck in a drift once, but that was 3 feet deep. A few minutes of shoveling and I was free.
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Gotta love Blizzaks. I came home during a snow storm one time and one of my neighbors was walking his dog just as I pulled in. He walked over and asked what kind of tires I was using, because you could see the tread pattern in my tracks as opposed to mostly mush in all the other ones on the street. Granted, it was the Blizzak DV light truck version, but still...
 
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