I literally did that 2 months ago. It's badass.
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MA Gun Grab 2024: H.4885 - Passed legislature, headed to the governor
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No, it doesn't. Stop saying that.
It handles FIREARMS as defined under Mass. law.
This is why you can't buy an SBR from a dealer even with federal paperwork, because an SBR is a "firearm" (barrel less than 16") and none are on any roster. This is why you have to build it yourself (after doing fed paperwork)
When the "firearm" definition no longer includes, "must be able to go bang", then *ALL* receivers, for handguns, rifles, or shotguns become "firearms".
Unless they start putting rifle and shotgun receivers on the rosters, they can't be transferred by Mass. dealers.
Legislative panel assigned to negotiate gun law reform meets Wednesday
The panel of Massachusetts lawmakers assigned to negotiate a final version of competing gun law reform packages is set to hold its first meeting.
Co-chairs Rep. Michael Day and Sen. Cynthia Creem are scheduled to gavel open the conference committee talks at 2 p.m. on Wednesday in Room 348.
A top priority of both House and Senate leadership, lawmakers are moving forward on one of the session's most controversial matters without knowing exactly what Gov. Maura Healey wants; the governor has not outlined her own set of reforms.
The firearms legislation has moved in fits and starts. Twenty-six days elapsed last month between the Senate's vote to approve its bill and the House motion to ship the bill to conference. The committee was fully appointed Feb. 29.
Day wrote the House's 129-page bill, which that branch passed last October, and Creem was the architect of the 49-page text approved by the Senate in February.
The six-member squad also includes Rep. Carlos Gonzalez, Sen. Joan Lovely, Rep. Joseph McKenna, and Sen. Bruce Tarr.
Conference committees are required to open their first meeting publicly and can opt to hold open negotiations, though senators and representatives routinely vote to immediately conduct all future deliberations behind closed doors.
Legislative panel assigned to negotiate gun law reform meets Wednesday
The panel of Massachusetts lawmakers assigned to negotiate a final version of competing gun law reform packages is set to hold its first meeting. Co-chairs Rep. Michael Day and Sen. Cynthia Creem are scheduled to gavel open the conference committee talks at 2 p.m. on Wednesday in Room 348. A top...
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Any updates on the committee meeting today?
Started at 2pm.
pastera
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You posted the details of what you were talking about after I posted BBRYou’re the one interjecting your uneducated thoughts about my post. I didn’t ask your opinion. You came out saying I was wrong without knowledge on that section of law. Here’s the thing, I usually don’t post unless I know what I’m talking about.
Sweet Jesus, yes you did. You said big boy rules apply to my situation, when they don’t. You told me you thought an FFL should be able to transfer it to me, when I was saying they couldn’t. You said I was confusing MA and Federal laws. That is absolutely telling me I’m wrong.
You didn’t recommend finding another opinion until after I provided evidence. But PS, telling me to seek another opinion is also a form of questioning whether I’m right or wrong.
The entirety of the conversation up to that point centered on items that would be considered copies and duplicates.
That I assumed that's what you were eluding to is an easy bridge to cross.
If you can't understand that you inserted an infinitesimal small and, frankly, unimportant issue with no information about the change in topic then I take back my statement about not directing the original offending post at you.
pastera
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The back room deals likely have mostly been worked out so it would just be editing the text and checking for conflicts and errors.
I would expect a week or less.
It’s already written by Bloomberg lawyers
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This should be illegal.
It needs to be done in secret, to protect our democracy
This whole thread is about the bill. Not just about copies and duplicates. “MA Gun Grab 2024: Senate bill S.2572” My comment was a reply to the bill being reconciled right now. There was no change in topic. The topic is the bill and all of its implications.
You were myopically focused on the one part of the bill and jumped on my comment without really thinking what my comment was about.
Edit: also, frame and receiver transfers being shut down is FAR from being an infintesimally small and unimportant issue with this bill. It is just as big of an issue as the AWB expansion.
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Just got an email from Tarr’s office:
Today the conference committee charged with reconciling the House and Senate versions of the bill conducted its first meeting, which was preliminary in nature, open to the public, and focused on opening statements.
In my opening statement I declared that I would not vote to close the committee's meetings to the public, and my commitment to inclusive and transparent proceedings. In addition, I emphasized the need to uphold the rights secured by the Second Amendment, punish those who violate our laws, and protect those who are law abiding gun owners.
The next meeting of the conference committee is scheduled for Wednesday, March 27, with a location and time to be determined.
Today the conference committee charged with reconciling the House and Senate versions of the bill conducted its first meeting, which was preliminary in nature, open to the public, and focused on opening statements.
In my opening statement I declared that I would not vote to close the committee's meetings to the public, and my commitment to inclusive and transparent proceedings. In addition, I emphasized the need to uphold the rights secured by the Second Amendment, punish those who violate our laws, and protect those who are law abiding gun owners.
The next meeting of the conference committee is scheduled for Wednesday, March 27, with a location and time to be determined.
pastera
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I get that distinction but for 99.9% of cases under current law firearm = pistol/revolver.
And yes I understand that once frames and receivers are also considered firearms then they can't be transferred and that's why they are making that change - specifically because people could use the odd definition of firearm to work around the ridiculous roster requirements.
As I said the roster only handles pistols and revolvers - the GCAB will need to act on receivers once the bill has been signed.
However I wouldn't hold my breath since they can not act and silently ban just about everything they want.
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nitsuj
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Show up to FFL with a barrel and a trigger, two pins for the trigger and screw the barrel in and you have a bolt action rifle that doesn’t fall under pistol or semi auto rifle, transfer away
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That is exactly the way i expect it to go down. That's the way communists work.
That possibly could work. Federally, that may require an 07 FFL that can manufacture. But it might meet the state definition of rifle while staying an other federally.
If it does become a rifle federally, it would prevent you from first building it as a pistol. So it will forever be a rifle. Can’t throw on a 10” 300blk barrel and brace. BUT, since it wouldn’t have a stock on it yet, one might still be able to build it into a pistol, as it might still just be an other.
Edit: Yeah, it seems like it would still be an “other”, so the buyer could turn it into a pistol after taking possession. But I’m still not sure if a non-07 FFL is allowed to put the barrel on.
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This definition also means you may legally carry your SBR anywhere you can legally carry a handgun - even trenchcoat carry is legal.
And no, all receivers for handguns, rifles or shotguns do not become firearms. They become firearms, rifles or shotguns. Firearm (MGL definition) does not include rifles or shotguns.
pastera
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In the new bill they add receivers and frames to the firearm definition in order to shut down the roster workaround.
Let’s hope Granata v. Campbell goes our way
If that is the case no more ARs or Glocks.
And, as you said no person to person transfers.
Agreed with the first part. But a receiver wouldn’t become a rifle unless the barrel was over 16”, or a shotgun unless the barrel was over 18”. There are a couple proposed definitions floating around, but they still have the specifications for barrel lengths.
pastera
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Person to person will still exist
Supply of non-roster guns will be limited to what dual residents can bring in and what newcomers bring with them.
Person to person AR lower transfer would be illegal though, right?
That is what you said about my lowers.
pastera
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Screwing further with what can be purchased will result in what is a categorical ban with the new bill.
But amending the complaint will pretty much work to reset the clock.
Unless scotus takes on something out of the 4th or 7th it looks like we are in for a long hard fight.
That is if they are nice enough to not grandfather presently owned arms - and that would hopefully kick scotus in to high gear
pastera
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No I stated that in general people will still be able to transfer off roster guns that are legal to possess.
Your lowers will very likely not be legal to possess so no, they don't count.
You won't be able to face to face a chinese glock switch legally either but you already knew that.
To be fair, big boy rules sort of apply at any and all times. There is no law to my knowledge that defines what a “big boy is”.
If you have the will, I’m sure there is always a way. And to some degree, that is precisely what big boy rules mean. Some would even say federal compliance is generally aligned with big boy rules. (I’m the some who would say). But even then, what daddy gov doesn’t know
If my lowers won’t be legal than either will anybody else’s ARs then.
Will they be demanded to be turned in to the government?
After all they’d be illegal.
pastera
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Correct - if the senate version of the exclusion is incorporated the only enumerated stuff will be those that were assembled and in the fa-10 database by 7/20/16.
Going to be several thousand overnight felons created.
I doubt they will demand anything - they will pick them up as secondary charges and line them up for photos on how they saved the world.
If they actually push enforcement that would enhance the chance of scotus shooting the whole shebang down the drain.
Edit: remember that a lot people had enough of this states shit from that enforcement notice - if I were a betting man I'd say that there are likely 3 or more times the number of offbooks ARs afterwards as registered ones.
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there are plenty out they’re that have an 07 FFL and would likely be more than willing to do that for cheap or free to help out the transfer, little things like that go a long way for future business and they know it.
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